Happy Ten Commandments Weekend to all!

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  1. BobRyan

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    Here is wishing that all had a very blessed Ten Commandments Weekend spiritual focus.

    BTW - I have noticed that Sproul, D.J Kennedy, Swindoll, Stanley etc all have very positive things to say about God's Ten Commandments.

    (And of course I have quoted D.L Moody's strong support for God's Ten Commandments on this board so many times - I am hesitant to do it again)

    In Mark 7 we find Christ referring to them as "The Word of God"


    Mark 7
    6 And He said to them, ""Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: " THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS[/b], BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
    7 " BUT [b
    ]IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
    8 ""Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.''[/
    b]
    9 He was also saying to them, ""You are experts at setting aside
    the commandment of Godin order to keep your tradition.[/b]
    10 ""For Moses said, " HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER[/b]'; and, " HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH';
    11 but you say, "If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),'
    12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother;
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    thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.''

    In Romans 3 we see the fact that NT saints affirm them -


    Rom 3
    31 Do we then
    nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.


    So the question for the group is - did you have any special focus on this topic this weekend at your church?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Matt 5 appears to agree with the Mark 7 statement of Christ above -

    Matt 5
    17 ""
    Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets[/
    b]; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
    18 ""For truly I say to you,
    until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law[/
    b] until all is accomplished.
    19 ""[b]Whoever then annuls
    one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same[/b], shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them[/b], he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    20 ""For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

    Thought questions -

    #1. Why point to a far distant "Until heaven and earth pass away"?
    #2. When Christ argues that "your righteousness must exceed" that of the Jewish leaders - is righteousness really "conformity" to the Law of God in obedience to it -- or is it defined as "rebellion against God's Law"??
    #3. When Christ argues that not the least bit of the law has changed and that those who teach such things are wrong - is He just stating that as being true in His day "pre-cross" or does He mean "until Heaven and Earth Pass Away" and all is completed?
    #4. If He just means "in his day - pre-cross" then what about John 14 "IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" is this the same "unchanged set" that does not weaken even in one iota - that He speaks of in Matt 5??

    Things to think about.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Let us say for example that "law keeping" is analagous to parenting "train up a child in the way he should go".

    So that we might say "I am trying to be a perfect parent as I walk in the Spirit with Christ - dying daily and submitting to His Will. But I fail and so God makes up for my deficiency through the merits of Christ and He is Himself a loving Father to my children - far exceeding my ability to perfectly raise them".

    All well and good - but what if my outward response then is to beat and abuse and neglect my children using God's role as an "excuse" to say "I need not worry about being a good parent anymore - after all God is doing that perfectly as their heavenly Father".

    In 2John 2 John states that those who claim to know Christ and do not walk as He walked - do not keep His Commandments - are lying.

    In Christ,

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    Happy Everyday to those who Believe in Jesus Christ and His Blood !
     
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    We had no special focus. Who decided this was "10 Commandment" weekend?
     
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    Originally Posted by BobRyan
    So the question for the group is - did you have any special focus on this topic this weekend at your church?


    What a [Personal attack removed]...
     
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    I didn't know there was such a thing as Ten Commandments Weekend.



    Here, we're doing our "Contraband Days" thingy we do every May. Around town, it's not church related.

    The sermon was the last chapter of Jonah yesterday, no body made any mention of it being Ten Commandments Weekend to me.

    I know we do Reformation Day on October 31, and Advent or uh..Passion Week/Resurrection Day, whatever you might call it and Christmas which I missed last year.

    If I'd have known I might have something more interesting to say.

    Well, happy belated Ten Commandments Weekend to everybody.


    Soli Deo Gloria,
    Dustin
     
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    Bob, I've never heard of Ten Commandments weekend. :)

    Shiloh, I'm surprised you haven't been banned yet. Your attitude is disgraceful.
     
  9. His Blood Spoke My Name

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    After doing a search on google for 'ten commandment weekend', I have discovered that this year May 5-7 is the second annual 'ten commandment weekend'.

    I didn't even know there was a first!

    I cannot find in God's Word where we are supposed to celebrate the Ten Commandments.

    Methinks this was started by the SDA, as that is the only churches I can see participating in it when I do a search.
     
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    Surprised it isn;t a Roy Moore rally.
     
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    God does tell his people to rejoice in it and to write it on the door posts etc. :jesus:

    But I would not call that a "commandment" to have a national day for the Ten Commandments.

    The Chicago Tribune did an article about some SDAs opposing it - I say they got misquoted.:tear:

    BTW I went to the Ten Commandments Comission website to see if I could find those dirty rotten SDAs promoting this and all I found was this --
    http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/commission.php

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Regardless of whether the SDA's have a hand in it or not, upon reading the page I don't endorse it.

    It's an ecumenical, dispensational, and political thing. Christian fellowship biblically speaking is based upon the Gospel, not the Ten Commandments, the rapture, or Israel. I'm not saying the Law is bad, it's just not supposed to be THE focus. It's the fruit of dispensationalism. It mentioned churches and synagoges (sp), which I would say we should NOT under any circumstances fellowship with people who deny the Gospel. If they are Messianic Jews, then ok, but not those who deny Jesus is the Christ.

    Also, two names jumped out at me reading this.

    Pat Robertson (claims God verbally speaks prophesy to him)

    John Hagee (heavy pentecostal leanings, rabid dispensationalist, know for showing huge eschatology charts which depict Christ on a white horse, which is idolatry)

    It has a huge political agenda, IMO, it's very evident.

    I shudder at the thought of being called "evangelical" as it's understood today. This is one of the reasons right here. I don't want to be lumped in with these loonies who speak peace to those who hate Christ.

    I myself am not going to confuse people by affirming this (and defaming the name of Christ, as well) when there are ideas and statements being thrown around that are not in line with what the Bible really says.

    Call me intolerant, call me mean, call me harsh, I don't care.

    I'm against it.


    Soli Deo Gloria,
    Dustin
     
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    GE:

    Find myself in tune, ever so often. Must be some mutual something inside.
     
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    Ten Commandments Weekend? Sounds silly. How about a Faith in Christ Weekend? A Sobriety Weekend? A Blindford-Yourself-for-a-Lust-Free Weekend?

    As it is, each Commandment gets an average of more than 36 days out of the year-- roughly the number of days it takes to grow a new layer of outer skin [a cut and scar to completely heal]. I think I would pick July for You shall not covet, since I'm out more and there are more things to see to covet; and January for You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, considering what could be the sudden shock if somebody drops snow down my collar.

    But cramming them all into one weekend? I'm not sure if any of us are that pure.
     
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    Hmmm. So you are saying you would oppose something EVEN if SDAs were not behind it??!!

    Sounds kinda suspicious to me.


    Hmm - we need to "get the Word out".

    We will tell them to "stop talking about the parts of God's Word that don't matter".


    It is a good thing to ignore the parts of God's Word that defame the name of Christ -- I agree!!:sleeping_2:


    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    To summ up all the statements on this page - I think the Words of the Apostle Paul say it best --


    Rom 3
    31 Do we then
    nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.
     
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    More NT to ignore --

    Matt 19:17 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

    Christ condemns those who would break “the Commandments” of God for the sake of man-made tradition – and this is done while speaking to Jewish leaders and referencing the 5th commandment!



    Christ’s followers continue to keep the Sabbath commandment and so we can see that they were obeying His command that they should “Love Me and Keep My Commandments” John 14:15 (which in fact is quoting from the 3rd commandment in Exodus 20)



    Why do the Gospel writers take such care to teach us what Christ commanded them?



    Here again we see the NT writers doing that very thing – as they tell us PRIMARILY of the Words and Teaching of Christ PRE-Cross!
     
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    In fact when it comes to the NT writers and the Commandments of God - you have to ask yourself if you are really "ignoring enough of the NT"!

    Here are more candidates to be ignored

    I Jn 5:2-3
    2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    Rev 12:17
    17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    Rev 14:12
    12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

    Rev 22:14
    14[b] Blessed are they that do his commandments,[/b] that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    I Jn 2:3-4
    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1 Corinthians 7:19
    Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.



    Ok - well then go ahead and read the WHOLE Bible "if you must".

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Naw, I never said ignore the parts fo God's Word that don't matter. I said not to exalt anything over the Gospel, that was my point.

    Getting a bunch of pagans, atheists, agnostics, etc, to follow the Ten Commandments won't amount to much of anything if they still deny Christ. The Bible says Christ is a stumbling stone and the Gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing. So I'm saying, not to compromise the Gospel by persuading people to follow the Law. Simple as that. There is a big difference between Law and Gospel. The Law simply condemns, the Gospel of Jesus Christ saves.

    As far as your comment on the very top, the answer is a resounding yes! There are many people I'm very intolerant of. I have ample oppurtunity to be very intolerant of almost everything about mainstream Christianity. I don't discriminate at all.

    It's only suspicious if you think it is.



    Soli Deo Gloria,
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    I'm sorry Bob, the point of your above posts have been "retro-deleted" because, in fact, I never advocated not reading the WHOLE Bible.


    :thumbs:



    Soli Deo Gloria,
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