Has the US ever been a Christian nation.

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Has the U.S. ever been a Christian nation.

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  1. Bunyon

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    Even though we are more secular today than we have been in the past, has it ever been true that we were a Christian Nation? Or have we always been totally secular?
     
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    We have been a Christian nation and continue to be so as the vast majority of our populace has always been and continues to be at least nominally Christian.
     
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    I believe there was a time in America that the Church played a very important role in forming this country but slowly over a period of time we became more diversified and it was only natural for this to happen it happened in Israel in the Old Testament times. You woulda thunk we would have learned something from that.
     
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    I cannot think of a single time when we were a Christian nation. Even in our founding, we were a secular Constitutional form of Democracy. If we had ever truly been a Christian nation, I think we would have written the original version of the Constitution a lot different so that we would not have condoned slavery. Even then, we were not even a true form of democracy who protected the rights of everyone (kind of like I hear people harping about Iraq and its future as a democracy). We have become better as a nation by protecting the rights of the minorities the more democratic we become in our governance. But, even though we have become better in protecting the rights of some in our society, we still fail in protecting the rights of others. In the end, we are a totally depraved, sinful, imperfect secular democracy which is in no way a Christian nation. If we were truly a Christian Nation, we would not even be debating whether or not it is ok to murder our unborn babies.

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    I think technically, we are a secular nation, founded on a Bible based Constitution, drafted almost exclusively by Christians.
     
  6. Bunyon

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    Technically, I would say our government is not a Christian government, but I think there is difference between what we are as a nation and the form of government we use.
     
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    I don't believe the whole of the Constitution has a Biblical Basis, at least, not the original version.

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    "We have become better as a nation by protecting the rights of the minorities the more democratic we become in our governance'----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I am not sure this had anything to do with us becoming more democratic. We just needed time to catch up with our vision. We ended what was up until that century a worldwide institution. Yet we said in our founding, without equvication, "all men are created equal and with certain inalliable rights." We did not qulify it, even when slavery was a worldwide institution. If the idea, or authority, for the view that all men are equal with inaliable rights is not Christian, I don't know what it is. If it is not backed up with the God of the Bible, I don't know what backs it up.
     
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    And yet, it was all words, but no application. I think Jesus would have called that hypocrisy, but certainly not Christian. We were speaking out of both sides of our mouths when we said on hand that all men are created equal, and then on the other hand, we condoned 3rd class citizenship for those who were slaves in America.

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    God allowed for slavery in the Old Testament and I find no words of condemnation in the New Testament of slavery - only that if one can become free he should do so.

    1 Cor. 7:21 (ESV)
    Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it. But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.

    Personally, I am glad that we no longer have slavery but I don't condemn our founding fathers for compromising on the situation in the late 18th century.
     
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    So, you believe that slavery is compatable with Christianity? Even if you intellectually say yes, that still proves the concepts of the Constitution were not Biblical, as the other side of our hypocritical mouths said, "All people were created equal".

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    No I don't think it is compatable. But you nor me nor our nation has ever lived up to the vision we hold for oursleves. Simply, falling short of what you strive for should not really have anything to do with whether a person or a nation is Christian. It is what one stands for and strives for that tells the tell, not your failures.

    "And yet, it was all words, but no application"-----------------------------------------------

    I wold say words that had a slow and diffecult application.
     
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    Bunyon,

    You are correct. We are imperfect, totally depraved, sinful, secular humans who created a document which was better than what we had before in many ways. But, it was not totally Biblically based, was not perfect, and certainly talked out of both sides of its mouth, and could not be given as evidence that our nation was Christian.

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    Did God ever tell slave owners in the New Testament to free their slaves?
     
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    The type of Christian nation you are describing wont ever exist until Christ comes to run it himslef.
     
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    The type of Christian nation I am describing will never exist here on this earth since God's kingdom is not of this world.

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    Did God ever tell slave owners in the New Testament to free their slaves? </font>[/QUOTE]Please also read the second part of that post:

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    No the founders of the U.S. purposely formed the Constitution so that it wasn't a Christian nation and would never be a Christian nation since that is what they were leaving behind in Europe, Christian nations that restricted the religious freedoms of its people. I thank God that both Canada and the US have never been and hopefully never will be Christian nations.

    I hope and pray that both will be nations of Christians.
     
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    You said that already, didn't you, Gold Dragon?
    My response was that the idea of a Christian Nation is not necessarly pinned to whether or not we have a theocracy, which we don't. No one would want that. We have or had a Biblically informed and Biblically based democracy.
     
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    Not completely Biblically Based. As I pointed out earlier, there are things with the Constitution that go in direct opposition to the Bible.

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