Have I proved my point that this is no longer a real debate forum? I submit that if we can discuss keeping pennies, if we like hand towels, what kind of cream we put in our coffee, how we like our eggs, etc. here on the Debate Forum once reserved for serious topics, it is no longer a true debate forum. Let's debate it! Btw, for the uninitiated, this started with my complaint about the "best coffee" thread on that thread.