Have you been Tickled?

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  1. Amy.G

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    Just learned of another Emergent Church guru, Phyllis Tickle.

    LINK

    Is the true church disappearing before our eyes? :tear:
     
  2. Marcia

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    I've known about Phyllis Tickle for a few years.

    This is a good article. It's rather shocking to see she is a part of this:

    Board of Advisors, The Mary Baker Eddy Library, emerita


    Yikes! :eek:
     
  3. Thinkingstuff

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    Can someone explain to me the Emergent Church or the Emergent Villiage? I read the Wiki deffinition and it seems disjointed and disorganized. All I could get from it is that they want a diologue with other faiths. Beyond that I don't know what they believe or stand for or anything else. Who are these people?
     
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    Thinkingstuff,

    I'd recommend going to YouTube and typing: Mark Driscoll and emerging church and you'll get a pretty accurate assessment.

    I've been involved in the emerging church conversation for about 15 years now. I spurn the Emergent group. Its just redactionary liberalism of last century.

    I'll make a lot of people around here angry with this (and you'll see the comments follow, but forget them. I've been in the conversation and some don't know what they're talking about.)

    The emerging church began by asking serious questions about how evangelicalism and Christianity were going to function in light of the markedly changing cultural landscape in the United States. They asked serious questions about the fundamentalism that too many of us grew up in that spoke about length of hair, dress, and other non-essentials that were taught dogmatically. We also began asking questions about church forms and the basic ecclesiological make up of most churches.

    Somewhere in the late 90s the conversation began to splinter. (I suggest Brian McLaren, a nice man btw, and his books began the splintering.) Some in the conversation began, more than suggesting, out right saying that to correct the hardcore fundamentalism that had invaded too many of our churches we needed to provide a "contextualized theological answer." I was intrigued and listened. Unfortunately they ended up not begin very original and their answer ended up begin some form of rehashed liberalism that not only disqualified them, it gave the rest of the emerging movement a black eye. This group became the Emergent Church, particularly b/c of their own branding with Emergent Village. Emergent Village was the theological (I'm being generous here) think-tank of leaders like Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, Tony Jones, Sally Morgenthaler (though she's left), Mark Driscoll (though he's repented and left), and some leadership from the Leadership Network (I like the Leadership Network.) Anyhoo they began down a pathway that is marred with error and syncretism imho. Emergent has, for some reason, become a reason not to evangelize and just think out loud. Unfortunately for their smarts they've not produced any good answers...for a variety of reasons. One of which is their outright denial of the inspiration and authority of the Bible.

    Now the emerging church movement, which I don't participate with in practice but join in conversation, is a group of individuals without a leader(ship) without a form and without a denomination that seeks to contextualize the presentation of the Gospel to those who, within our borders (or the UK's borders, etc) who are missiologically removed from the cultural context of modern evangelical Christianity. They are presenting different forms of liturgy and worship in varying venues in order to communicate the Gospel of Jesus Christ, often in different language, to people who otherwise would spurn traditional expressions. Also, many in the emerging church movement are seeking to detatch from traditional evangelical expressions of dialetical evangelism in order to return to a more coherent, and (in their words) New Testament form of expressing the truth of Jesus Christ's atonement.

    There are some different expressions here than we traditionally find. There are some different theologies. Yet it is the same Christ on the same Cross through whom we can find salvation.

    Again just my take. I'm in the convo and hope it helps. You may ask me any questions you desire. :)
     
  5. sag38

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    The book Why Were Not Emergent, By Two Guys Who Should Be gives an excellent analysis. One being that it is hard to pin the Emergent movement down as to what they stand for and what they believe. Its all relative anyway.
     
  6. Marcia

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    In addition to the book recommend by sag38, you can also try these:

    1. To get it from the horse's mouth, read some of the essays in this book: Emergent Manifesto of Hope, An (emersion: Emergent Village resources for communities of faith) by Doug Pagitt and Tony Jones

    2. A history and critique of the Emergent/Emerging movement: Faith Undone: The emerging church - a new reformation or an end-time deception by Roger Oakland


    I have read most of the first book, and have read the 2nd book. These gave good insights into this movement when you don't have time to read all the books by all the emergents or emerging people.
     
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  7. Thinkingstuff

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    It sounds like an attempt to have a unified approach to exegete scripture and ended up being liberal. How can we compare these people to the people who (and these guys are weird) and academics who started the Jesus Seminar?
     
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    At least the Jesus Seminar folks came up with a supposed conclusion and stand by it. We know what they believe and why. In that they have more credibility than the emergents. Emergents make no stands on anything except not making a stand. In other words, their house is built on sand.
     
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    Actually they make two stands:

    Anti-tradition anything (which is more about personal preference and nothing to do with etymology)

    Anti- dogma (except these two issues) they are very clearly dogmatic about not being dogmatic
     
  10. Marcia

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    The initial leaders of the emerging movement came mostly from evangelical backgrounds and beliefs. They undermine doctrine and scripture in subtle, indirect ways. The Jesus Seminar was pretty blatant and open about what they were saying.
     
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    One point here is that the founders of the Jesus Seminar began their quest by attempting to appease a Modern epistemology.

    The founders of the Emerging/ent movement began their quest attempting to appease Post-Modern epistemology.
     

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