Have you heard? The VOICE

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  1. franklinmonroe

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    Thomas Nelson is introducing a new translation called "The Voice" very soon (from website HearTheVoice.com) --
    ...Previously most Bibles and biblical reference works were produced by professional scholars writing in academic settings. The Voice uniquely represents collaboration among scholars, pastors, writers, musicians, poets, and other artists. The goal is to create the finest Bible products to help believers experience the joy and wonder of God’s revelation. This is the first-ever complete New Testament in The Voice translation. Writers include Chris Seay, Lauren Winner, Brian McLaren, Greg Garrett, David B. Capes, and others...
     
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    Brian McLaren????????

    Oh boy. I may become a KJVO. :laugh: Or maybe a NKJVO.
     
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    McLaren is a trained English professor, I'm sure he could help with the style and flow of the translation.
     
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    Do you think he can help more than the Holy Ghost in the style and flow of any translation?
     
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    What a ridiculous thing to write. The Holy Spirit (better translation, ghost is outdated KJV speak) is active in the life of every believer, so in a manner of speaking yes. But not to the extent that THE VOICE will be inspired to any degree whatsoever.
     
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    Those were my thoughts!

    Seriously though, I get tired of people like I heard quoted on a show by D.A. Waite last week that wrote something called "ANything but the KJV".
    Some people think that we hate the KJV and want ANYTHING other than the KJV.
    Such is not true at all.

    Just because we are not KJV only does not mean we accept just anything that calls it self a Bible.

    I have my doubts about how good this one would be.

    The thing I like about the NASB is that it is a scholarly approach to being the most literal translation possible.

    The NIV is a similar approach in getting the actual meaning correct in today language.

    But this thing....hmmm. I have to be careful since I have not read it but it is not looking good :)
     
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    So the emergents want there own Bible now eh? Not a surprise really.
     
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    I can't put to much credence in any thing that Brian McLaren endorses. Much of the "Emergent Movement" is chock full of liberalism canned in a post-modernism.
     
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    HCSBO for me.

    It is taking me an average of eight years of years to study a new version. I'll be done with the HCSB in 2010. Maybe Thomas Nelson will publish the O.T. by then???

    With the HCSB, the first Bible I bought did have 'MAPS'. NO more buying Bibles with out MAPS.
     
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    Evidently, the New Testament of "The Voice" is already in print since I saw a copy of it at a Christian bookstore.
     
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    Yes, I believe the release date was October 28. I just rec'd an advance digital copy. As I read I will start to post some excerpts next week.
     
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    This the prologue to John's Gospel in The Voice (from an uncorrected advance proof and is subject to change). I could not reproduce the formatting 100% accurately here. They use italic type to indicate "words not directly tied to a dynamic translation of the original language" (from their Preface) --

    1 Before time itself was measured, the
    Voice was speaking. The Voice was and
    is God. 2This celestial Voice remained
    ever present with the Creator; 3His speech
    shaped the entire cosmos. Immersed in the
    practice of creating
    , all things that exist
    were birthed in Him. 4His breath filled all
    things with a living, breathing light. 5Light
    that thrives in the depths of darkness, blazing
    through murky bottoms
    . It cannot, and
    will not, be quenched.
    ___6A man named John, who was sent by
    God, was the first to clearly articulate the
    source of this unquenchable Light
    . 7This
    wanderer, John who ritually cleansed,* put
    in plain words the elusive mystery of the
    Divine
    Light that all might believe through
    him. Because John spoke with power, many
    believed in the Light. Others wondered
    whether he might be the Light
    , 8but John
    was not the Light.He merely pointed to
    the Light; and in doing so, he invited the
    entire creation to hear the Voice
    .
    ___9The true Light, who shines upon the
    heart of everyone, was coming into the
    cosmos. 10He does not call out from a distant
    place but draws near
    . He enters our
    world, a world He made and speaks clearly,
    yet His creation did not recognize Him.
    11Though the Voice utters only truth, His
    own people, who have heard the Voice
    before
    , rebuff this inner calling and refuse
    to listen. 12But those who hear and trust the
    beckoning of the Divine Voice and
    embrace Him, they shall be reborn as children
    of God, 13He bestows this birthright
    not by human power or initiative but by
    God’s will. Because we are born of this
    world, we can only be reborn to God by
    accepting His call.
    ___14The Voice that had been an enigma in
    the heavens chose to
    become human and
    live surrounded by His creations. We have
    seen Him. Undeniable splendor enveloped
    Him—the one true Son of God—evidenced
    in
    the perfect balance of grace and truth.
    15John, the wanderer who testified of the
    Voice, introduced Him. “This is the one
    I’ve been telling you is coming. He is much
    greater than I because He existed long
    before me.” 16Through this man we all
    receive gifts of grace beyond our imagination.
    He is the Voice of God. 17You see,
    Moses gave us rules to live by, but Jesus
    the Liberating King offered the gifts of
    grace and truth which make life worth living.
    18God, unseen until now, is revealed in
    the Voice, God’s only Son, straight from the
    Father’s heart.

    * 1:7 Literally, immersed, to show repentance
     
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    I am speechless. This bears little if any resemblance to the word of God. It sounds new age and mystical. I am sickened.
     
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    Even though he was a pastor for many years, if I'm not mistaken, he has no theology training. Neither does Lauren Winner, who is also listed and has not been a believer all that long. Both of these people are part of the emerging "conversation."

    The real troubling issue here is that McLaren has been departing from orthodoxy. You should read his essay on John 14.6, in which he denies that Jesus is saying he is the only way to God. A prof at my seminary wrote a 3 part refutation of McLaren's essay.
     
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    Why are they characterizing Jesus as a "voice?"
     
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    I agree, Amy!

    Notice in v. 11 they use the term "inner calling" which I doubt is in the original Greek. If it is, someone here who knows Greek please tell us.

    This is because McLaren and others seem to be twisting Christianity into a mystical "inner Jesus" religion, which is very much like the New Age.
     
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    This new movement is addressed also in John MacArthur's book, "The truth war", and in it JM quotes Brian McLaren regarding the deity of Christ and the other paths to him, and it is apalling to say the least. If this isn't apostasy, I don't know what is. How is a "bible" of this nature any better than the gnostic gospels?
     
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    I hope that some major Christian leaders weigh in on the problems of "The Voice." It is disappointing that so few Christian spokepeople who have the platform to do so are warning Christians against these people who are leading others away from orthodox beliefs and sound doctrine.
     
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    Some think of the "Written Word of God", the Holy Bible.
    Some think of the "Living Word of God', Messiah Yeshua.
    Some get confused and think the Holy Bible is Messiah Yeshua :confused:

    I say this: "Word of God" = "Words of God" = Message of God = "Written Word of God" = "Spoken Word of God" = "Voice of God".

    Chances are that this New Translation of the New Testament is a Liberal version translated by a Liberal Religious person. But I've not researched the matter.
     
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    Probably one of the more interesting aspects of The Voice is that "to avoid the endless repetition of simple conjunctives, dialog is formatted as a screenplay {my emphasis}. The speaker is indicated, the dialog is indented, and quotation marks are not used. This helps greatly in the public reading of Scripture. Sometimes the original text includes interruptions in the dialog to indicate attitude of the speaker or who is being spoken to. This is shown either as a stage direction immediately following the speaker’s name or as part of the narrative section that immediately precedes the speaker’s name. The screenplay format clearly shows who is speaking." (from the Preface). Showing this formatting as best I can, here is more of John Chapter One --
    19The words of the Immerser were gaining
    attention
    , and many had questions, including
    Jewish religious leaders from
    Jerusalem. 28Their entourage approached
    John in Bethany just beyond the Jordan
    River while he was cleansing* followers in
    water, and bombarded him with questions:*

    Religious Leaders: Who are you?
    John the Immerser: 20I’m not the Liberator, if
    __that is what you are asking
    .
    Religious Leaders: 21Your words sound familiar,
    __like a prophet’s
    . Is that how we
    __should address you? Are you the Prophet
    __Elijah?
    John the Immerser: No, I am not Elijah.
    Religious Leaders: Are you the Prophet Moses
    __told us would come?

    John the Immerser: No.

    They continued to press John, unsatisfied
    with the lack of information.


    Religious Leaders: 22Then tell us who you are
    __and what you are about because everyone
    __is asking us, especially the Pharisees,
    __and we must prepare an answer.

    23John replied with the words of Isaiah:

    John the Immerser:
    Listen! I am a voice calling out in the
    ____wilderness.
    __Straighten out the road for the
    ____Lord. He’s on His way.*

    24-25Then, some priests who were sent by
    the Pharisees started in on him again.

    Religious Leaders: How can you travel the
    __countryside cleansing* people for their
    __sins if you are not the Liberator or Elijah
    __or the Prophet?
    John the Immerser: 26Cleansing* with water
    __is what I do, but the One whom I speak
    __of, whom we all await, is standing among
    __you and you have no idea who He is.
    __27Though He comes after me, I am not
    __even worthy to unlace His sandals.*


    * 1:28 Literally, immersing, to show repentance
    * 1:28 Verse 28 has been inserted here to help retain the
    continuity of events.
    * 1:23 Isaiah 40:3
    * 1:24-25 Literally, immersing, to show repentance
    * 1:26 Literally, immersing, to show repentance
    * 1:27 Verse 28 has been moved before verse 20 to
    retain the continuity of events.

     
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