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Have you read the American Constitution and ...

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Romans7man, Dec 31, 2011.

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  1. fromtheright

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    Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Another one I would invite you to read Romans7man, is James Madison's Notes on the Federal Convention.
     
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  2. poncho

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    You're missing the point. People here see the constitution as a dangerous idea. They don't believe in individual liberty. They'll tell you it's our duty to obey corupt politicians and an out of control government. Why?

    Well, near as I can figure someone has convinced them that we are a nation of men and not a nation of laws. They look at the men in high places and believe they are the "higher authority" instead of the law that governs these men.

    Where'd they get this idea? Not from me! The "higher autority" isn't embodied in a man or a group of men it's embodied in the law.

    If you can get them to see this then maybe we can turn this country around for the better for a change. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
     
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  3. J.D.

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    Yes, yes, yes, and yes.
     
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  4. Salty

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    I would like to make the following statement.

    I believe the Constitution of the United States is a very good document - was not perfect - as it has been amended several times. And due to changing social issues we need some additional amendment to preserve certain rights.

    I am a firm believer in individual liberty. I believe that govts at all levels have exceeded their authority in some areas.

    I believe we must give up some liberty for the benefit of all. I wish I did not have to stop for red lights - but I realize it is for the common good that I respect the DMV law. The problem comes in as to where the line should be drawn. That is a debate all to itself

    We do have corrupt politicians - just as we have corrupt pastors. But how intrusive do we want our laws to be to punish corruption. If a Congressman types a personal letter on his office computer - should he be impeached? Of course not - but again - where do we draw the line?

    I believe we are a nation of men - a nation who have mutually agreed to a set of laws, just as our ancestors did in 1620 with the Mayflower Compact.

    We need to remind all citizens that compromise was a major factor in the Establishment of this Country! Yes, there are some area that I have firm beliefs that I will not change - ie abortion. However if I were in Congress and a bill came before me to outlaw abortion except in the case of Rape - YES, I would vote for it. And NO, I am not compromising my belief, as I will be stopping 99% of all abortions. As time passed, YES, I would attempt to delete rape as an exception.

    There are some areas where I can compromise quite a bit.
    For example, I would introduce a bill to limit the time a person could serve in Congress not to exceed 18 years. Now if the committee drop that to 12 years - I would have no problem. If others wanted say, limit service to 8 consecutive years - (sit out one term) and be eligible again - I would consider that. Compromise is NOT a dirty word - based on the individual issue.

    I believe that I am not above change. There is nothing wrong with "flip-flopping" if there was a "pivotal point" which a person had a genuine change of heart - especially based on facts. Suppose science actually proved that life did not begin until the heart started to beat (say 6 weeks). Then I would have no problem with allowing a drug such as the morning after pill.

    I am a strong supporter especially of the 10th amendment. The Feds are doing way too much. I like what Newt said tonight on the debate. Send the control of schools back to the States - and then the States should send control back to the counties (or local districts) then get on with teaching our kids.
    There are several more acy's that need to be dismantled or at a minimum drastically cut and allow the States to handle their own affairs. This is especially true in regards to the several "Blackmail" policies of the Executive and Legislative branches.

    If we all can meet somewhat halfway "then maybe we can turn this country around for the better for a change"

    I am proud to be an American - I am proud to stand at Attention as the Star Spangled Banner is played - I am proud to salute our Flag which represents the Great Republic of the United States.
     
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  5. David Lamb

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    No
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    No.

    I have read Romans 7, though! :laugh:
     
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    Yes, yes, yes, no.

    No only had to read them in full but several other historical documents as well (Gettysburg Address, Bixby letter) in my 7th and 8th grade years of school in Boston per our American History/Civics teacher.

    He had a credit system based upon work and effort for positive values, negative for misbehavior.
    Extra credits were given for making hand written copies of these documents.
    This was especially handy if you had an overall negative credit value as I did.


    HankD
     
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  7. preachinjesus

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    They are governing documents and some notes on how some guys believed they should be framed. They're okay. I don't find them to be hallowed.

    I did have to memorize the Declaration of Independence and the Preemble to the Constitution in elementary school. I also had to pass a quiz on the major parts of the Constitution and be able to identify the rights granted in the Bill of Rights.

    Never had a test or quiz on the Federalist papers though...probably cause they're conjecture...;)
     
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  8. billwald

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    The Preamble to the Constitution has no legal significance. In the same way, the title of a bill passed by Congress generally has nothing to do with the content of the bill.

    The Washington State Constitution requires the title of a bill to describe the content of the bill.
     
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  9. billwald

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    >I believe we must give up some liberty for the benefit of all. I wish I did not have to stop for red lights - but I realize it is for the common good that I respect the DMV law. The problem comes in as to where the line should be drawn. That is a debate all to itself

    AGREE! But in practice the social contract supersedes the written law. For example, in Washington State the minimum acceptable speed limit in the left lane is five to ten MPH over the speed limit and the state patrol will write tickets for blocking traffic if one insists upon obeying the speed limit.

    The State Patrol has stated that it IS permissible to drive the speed limit in the HOV lanes. I get great pleasure in setting the speed control at the speed limit and seeing how far I can back up the outlaws. I can drive from Tacoma to Seattle without touching the gas or brake unless I get behind a bus on a grade.
     
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    NY has a similar law - we call it "impeding traffic" In my driving classes I tell my students, that a person has a right to get a speeding ticket, therefore we are not to "impede" that "right"!

    I do remember years ago - during the so-called oil crisis that troopers (Ala - I think) would drive 2 abreast @ 55 mph on the Interstate to keep everyone below the speed limit.
     
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  11. HankD

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    Hey Bill, that's the route I used to commute.
    So you're the guy who caused all those backups!!

    :)

    HankD
     
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    Will There Be a "Pop Quiz" After Our Answer???

    :laugh::laugh::laugh::wavey:
     
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  13. HankD

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    Actually they have been declared "living and breathing" documents.

    HankD
     
    #33 HankD, Jan 18, 2012
  14. billwald

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    >So you're the guy who caused all those backups!!

    Maybe. We try to avoid normal commuting hours.
     
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