HCSB/TNIV In Isaiah

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  1. Rippon

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    I have repeatedly said that I appreciate the HCSB . It is a very good Bible version . I like the TNIV even better . I will just cite some comparisons where the wording seemed a bit different between the two . Every example does not "prove" that the TNIV is superior . These are two versions I really like . It is just time to look at some phrases side-by-side .

    I will cite info from the NET Bible at times : Heb._____

    The HCSB will be at the top and the TNIV will be below .

    1:6__ no spot is uninjured
    there is no soundness
    Heb. = there is not in it health

    3:12 __ they confuse the direction of your paths
    they turn you from the path
    Heb. = and the way of your paths they confuse

    6:10 __ Dull the minds of the people
    Make the heart of this people calloused

    8:10 __ Make a prediction ; it will not happen
    propose your plan , but it will not stand
    Heb. = speak a word , but it will not stand

    8:12 __ Do not call everything an alliance these people say is an alliance
    Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy
    Heb.= Do not say , ' Conspiracy,' with respect to all which these people say,' Conspiracy' .

    10:2 __ to keep the poor from getting a fair trial ... so that widows can be their spoil
    to deprive the poor of their rights ... making widows their prey

    10:13 __ I subjugated the inhabitants
    I subdued their kings
    Heb. = and I brought down , like a strong one , ones sitting ... [ the NET note went on to say that this refers to those who sit on thrones .

    10:16 __ will inflict an emaciating disease on the well-fed of Assyria
    will send a wasting disease upon his sturdy warriors ;
    Heb. will send leanness against his healthy ones .

    13:11 __ humiliate the insolence of tryants
    humble the pride of the ruthless

    16:4 __ marauders have vanished from the land
    the aggressor wll vanish from the land

    17:13 __ like the raging of many waters
    like the roar of surging waters

    21:13 __ in the scrublands of the desert
    in the thickets of Arabia

    23:9 __ to desecrate all its glorious beauty
    to bring down her pride in all her splendor
    Heb.= the pride of all the beauty

    28:15 __ We have cut a deal with death
    We have entered into a covenant with death

    28:21 __ His disturbing task
    his alien task
    The NET notes say :His peculiar work ,or strange task because He must deal with them the way He treated their enemies in the past .

    29:21 __ those who , with [ their ] speech , accuse a person of wrongdoing , who set a trap at the gate for the mediator
    those who with a word make someone out to be guilty , who ensnare the defender in court
    Heb.= the ones that make a man a sinner with a word
    Heb.= and deprive by emptiness the innocent


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    I'm back , were you awaiting my return ?

    30:18 __ Happy are all who wait patiently for Him .
    Blessed are all who wait for him ! ( same in the Hebrew translation . )

    37:26 __ I designed it long ago
    Long ago I ordained it
    Heb.= formed

    40:6 __ all its goodness
    all human faithfulness
    Heb. =and all his loyalty [ the note went on to say that it conveys the idea of faithfulness , loyalty , devotion and constancy ]

    40:23 __ to be irrational
    to be nothing

    41:1 __ trial
    judgment
    The NET note said this is a dispute or debate

    43:4 __ I will give human beings in your place
    I will give nations in exchange for you

    43:28 __ officers of the sanctuary
    dignitaries of your temple

    44:18 __ he has shut their eyes so they cannot see
    their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see
    Heb. = for their eyes are smeared over so they cannot see , so their heart cannot be wise .

    44:25 __ who confounds the wise
    who overthrows the learning of the wise
    Heb. = who turns back the wise

    44:28 __ he will fulfill all my pleasure
    he will accomplish all that I please
    Heb. = that he might bring to completion all my desire

    47:7 __ I will be the mistress forever
    I am forever the eternal queen
    Heb. = Forever I [ will be ] permanent queen .

    47:9 __ They will happen to you in their entirety
    They will come upon you in full measure
    Heb. = according to their fullness , they will come upon you .

    49:7 __ abhorred by people
    abborred by the nation

    49:18 __ you will wear all your children as jewelry
    you will wear them all as ornaments

    49:24 __ or the captives of the righteous be delivered ?
    or captives be rescued from the firece ?
    Heb. = violent [one ], tyrant

    50:8 __ The One who justifies Me is near
    He who vindicates me is near

    52:3 __ you will be redeemed without silver
    without money you will be redeemed

    52:10 __ The Lord has displayed His holy arm
    The Lord will lay bare his holy arm
    Heb. = lays bare


    I'll come back to this another day .
     
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    53:10 __ He made Him sick
    cause him to suffer

    55:12 __ be peacefully guided
    be led forth in peace

    56:12 __ let's guzzle [ some ] beer ( The NET Bible has about the same wording .)
    let us drink our fill of beer !

    63:1 __ rising up proudly in His great might
    striding forward in the greatness of his strength

    63:5 __ My wrath assisted Me
    my own wrath sustained me
    Heb. = and my anger , it supported me

    63:18 __ Your holy people had a possession
    Your people possessed your holy place

    65:6 __ I will repay them fully
    I will pay it back into their laps
    Heb. = I will pay back into their laps
     
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    :applause: Thank you for your work, Bro. Rippon :applause:
     
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    And thank you Ed .

    Just a little info regarding the so-called inclusive language .

    In 5:15 the HCS has "humanity" in the first part bof the verse . The ESV has "man" . In the secomd half of the verse the HCS has "man' . The ESV has "each one " .

    In 13:12a HCS __ man
    ESV __ people


    In 31:8a HCS __ human
    TNIV__ man

    38:11 HCS __ humanity
    ESV __ man

    43:4 HCS __ human beings
    ESV __ men

    44:13 HCS __ human likeness ... beautiful person
    ESV __ man ... beauty of a man

    57:1 HCS __ one
    ESV __ man

    57:16 HCS __ [ man ]
    ESV __ blank
     
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    Oh , Why Not ? ...

    ... I'll do Philippians now . The HCS is at the top and theTNIV is below .

    1:10 __ so that you can determine what really maters
    so that you may be able to discern what is best

    1:17 __ out of rivalry
    out of selfish ambition ( the NET text is the same )

    1:27 __ with one mind
    with one accord

    2:2 __ sharing the same feelings , focusing on one goal
    being one in spirit and of one mind

    2:20 __ I have no one else like-minded
    I have no one else like him

    2:22 __ his proven character
    has proved himself

    3:4 __ though I once had confidence in the flesh
    though I myself have reasons for such confidence

    3:16 __ we should live up to whatever [ truth ] we have attained
    let us live up to what we have already attained

    3:19 __ They are focused on
    Their mind is set on

    4:2 __ agree in the Lord
    be of the same mind in the Lord

    4:5 __ graciousness
    gentleness ( same in the Greek )

    4:6 __ let your requests be made known to God
    present your requests to God

    4:12 __ I know how to have a lot
    I know what it is to have plenty

    4:17 __ Not that I seek the gift , but I seek the fruit that is increasing to your account .
    Not that I desire your gifts ; what I desire is that more be credited to your account .
     
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    Well How About Jude ? ...

    .... It's short enough . Okay , here it is . HCS at the top and the TNIV below .

    4__ turning the grace of our God into promiscuity
    pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality
    Greek= debauchery

    7__ committed
    gave themselves up to

    15__ convict them
    convict all

    16 __ These people are discontented grumblers , walking according to their desires ; their mouths utter arrogant words , flattering people for their own advantage .
    These people are grumblers and faultfinders ; they follow their own evil desires ; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage .

    24__ Now to Him who is able to protect you from stumbling
    To him who is able to keep you from stumbling
     
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