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He died for the seed of abraham

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by savedbymercy, Jul 30, 2011.

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  1. savedbymercy

    savedbymercy New Member

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    Thats error, All ethnic jews apart from in Christ, are not the children of God Rom 9:8


    8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
     
    #61 savedbymercy, Aug 25, 2011
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    My, my my!! You simply cannot deal with contextual evidence at all can you??? You simply ignore detailed contrary evidence to your theory and come back like a mocking bird and just repeat your error!!!!!

    I guess this is the only thing a willingly ignorant man can do.
     
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    Here is the contextual evidence again. Deal with it! So far you have chosen to be a ostrich that sticks its head in the sand and a parrot that ignores all contrary evidence and just repeats proven error.

    What is the point in this discussion if you don't read the responses OR if you refuse to respond to the responses in a rational and reasonable way????? At least make an attempt? In the above response I point out contextual factors that completely expose your interpretation of this passage as erroneous - Deal with them!!!!
     
    #63 Dr. Walter, Aug 25, 2011
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    Gal 3:16

    16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    It should be undestood that any promises of God made to Abraham should not be understood apart from Jesus Christ, whether they be temporal or spiritual. The Apostle paul here reminds the Galatians

    " now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made, He saith not to seeds [ as in a physical and spiritual seed] as in many, but as of one, and they seed which is Christ "

    In quoting Gen 12:3

    And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    So, paul was affirming, that God's promises to Abraham regarded not his natural descendants, but only those of his spiritual children who were one with Jesus Christ, the surety of the everlasting covenant, and the promises are communicated from Him to us [ His seed] both the promises themselves and the things promised :

    1 Jn 2:25

    25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

    1 Jn 5:11

    11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    Titus 1:1-2

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
     
    #64 savedbymercy, Aug 28, 2011
  5. Dr. Walter

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    You do what every Jim Jones, JW' MOrmon cultist does! When they are challenged by CONTEXTUAL evidence they cannot deal with they JUMP outside that context to PROOF TEXT responses.

    You are incapable of dealing with the scriptures in their context honestly and forthrightly - so you RUN and PIT scripture against scripture!

    Here is a novel idea, why don't you stick with the context and try to prove your point by exposition and grammar and context?????? This is what I have done in the post on Romans 11:25-28 that you keep running from. You can't deal with the logical development of the text? You can't deal with the grammar of the text - so you RUN and PIT proof texts against contextually based evidences! That is the mark of a cultist and the confession that such a person understands NEITHER the scriptures he is RUNNING from or the proof texts he is PITTING against those contextual based evidences.
     
    #65 Dr. Walter, Aug 30, 2011
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    Thats about the best you can do when scripture is opened up to you. I gave you six scriptures in the previous post to prove my point, you respond with insults lol..
     
    #66 savedbymercy, Aug 30, 2011
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    There is a difference between "insults" and "accurate description" and what I gave was an accurate description. I accurately described your method in dealing with scriptures you cannot answer - you simply do the cult thing - JUMP and PIT proof texts against the scripture causing you anxiety.

    You simply cannot deal with the scriptures in a contextual manner and anyone who fails to deal with scriptures in a contextual manner is advertising they are ignorant of the scriptues they run from as well as the scriptures they are running to.

    I gave you a contextually based problem - YOU RAN to these texts OUTSIDE the context I gave and want me to change from the context to something else. YOUR ARE CHANGING THE CONTEXT because you cannot deal with it truthfullly. Why should I do like you - run from the context we were discussing and jump into other texts we were not discussing? That is what you have done. You simply are incapable of dealing with a context without PITTING outside scriptures to that context against it! That is the CULTIC method and that is an ACCURATE description not an insult.
     
    #67 Dr. Walter, Aug 30, 2011
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    He took on the seed of Abraham !

    By this scripture Heb 2:16

    For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

    This scripture is evidence that those whom Jesus Christ came to redeem were of a certain people, and not all of mankind..

    All humanity are not of the seed of Abraham, nor are all Jews the seed of Abraham..The seed of Abraham in question are all those God made him a Father of when God told Him this:

    Gen 17:5

    Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    Notice, God said that He had already made abraham a Father, so that means God had already given him by promise the children as He did with Isaac..

    Isaac was Abraham's Son when God first revealed to Abraham that Isaac would be born unto Him..

    The same principle applies to Jacob and Esau, for scripture calls them " The children" before they were born into the world..Rom 9:11

    For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )
     
    #68 savedbymercy, Jan 9, 2012
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    YES...not the seed of Adam!:thumbs::thumbs:
     
    #69 Iconoclast, Jan 9, 2012
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    Hey, that's a pretty good way to win the debate. Dr. Walters' last post was August 30 2011, and savedbymercy responds January 9, 2012 lol, I have to remember that!
     
    #70 plain_n_simple, Jan 9, 2012
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    Well, not quite ! For Abraham is of the Seed of Adam. Lets look at the Inspired geneology Lk 3:23-38



    23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

    24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

    25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,

    26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,

    27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,

    28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,

    29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,

    30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,

    31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,

    32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,

    33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

    34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

    35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,

    36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,

    37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

    38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

    Now according to this Line, Jesus[ according to the Flesh] is from the Seed of Adam, which included Abraham !

    Remember God Told Adam and Eve that the coming Seed , the Seed of the Woman Gen 3:15 would be their Seed.
     
    #71 savedbymercy, Jan 9, 2012
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