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He reftoreth my foul

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Deacon, Mar 6, 2006.

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  1. Deacon

    Deacon Well-Known Member
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    No, it's not a typo. [​IMG]

    I recently came across a KJV Old Testament printed by John Baskett, Oxford, 1732.
    (Original price – Fourteen Shillings)


    The Lord is my fheperd, I fhall
    not want.
    He maketh me to lie down in green
    paftures: he leadeth me befide ftill wa-
    ters.
    He reftoreth my foul: he leadeth me in
    the paths of righteoufnefs for his name fake.

    Psalm XXIII verses 1-3

    My question regards orthography.
    I see that they had the letter “S” but it is frequently exchanged for the letter “F”.
    Why???

    Rob
     
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  2. Deacon

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    From the KJV 1611

    The LORD is my fhep-
    heard, I fall not want.
    he maketh me to lie
    downe in greene pa-
    ftures: he leadeth mee be-
    fide the ftill waters
    he reftozeth my foule: he leadeth
    me in the pathes of righteoufnes, foz
    his names fake.

    Rob
     
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    Geneva 1560

    The LORD is my fhepherd, I fhal not
    want.
    He maketh me to reft in grene pafture, O
    leadeth mee befid the ftill waters
    He reftoreth my foule: O leadeth me in
    the pathes of righteoufnes, for his Na-
    mes fake.

    Rob
     
    #3 Deacon, Mar 6, 2006
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    because the language had not yet developed to what it is today.
     
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  5. rbell

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    That'F a Fuper QueFtion. I'll reFearch it and Ftate my conclusionF Fometime later thiF week, if God tarrieF.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The character that looks like the letter "f" stands for the long "s" sound. This old character was still found in the 1769 Oxford KJV edition, in a 1795 Oxford KJV edition, and still in a 1804 Oxford KJV edition.

    All the spelling updating in KJV editions was not finished by 1769 as some have claimed.
     
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    Fometimef I wonder abovt yov gvyf. Fillyneff preuailf.
     
    #7 standingfirminChrist, Mar 7, 2006
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    Abfolute proof that Daffy Duck ufef the KJV.
     
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    And I fay a hearty 'Amen' to that John.
     
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    The character that looks like the letter "f" stands for the long "s" sound. This old character was still found in the 1769 Oxford KJV edition, in a 1795 Oxford KJV edition, and still in a 1804 Oxford KJV edition.

    All the spelling updating in KJV editions was not finished by 1769 as some have claimed.     </font>[/QUOTE]This was not even a spelling update, simply a character. The "f" looking letter also looks like an "s".

    They are not "f"s except in modern type.
     
    #10 NaasPreacher (C4K), Mar 7, 2006
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    The character that looks like the letter "f" stands for the long "s" sound. This old character was still found in the 1769 Oxford KJV edition, in a 1795 Oxford KJV edition, and still in a 1804 Oxford KJV edition.

    All the spelling updating in KJV editions was not finished by 1769 as some have claimed.     </font>[/QUOTE]This was not even a spelling update, simply a character. The "f" looking letter also looks like an "s".

    They are not "f"s except in modern type.     </font>[/QUOTE]No, Logos1560 is correct. English at one time had many characters that it no longer uses, and the spelling of words has changed as old characters were replaced by new ones or simply dropped into disuse.

    Main Entry: spell•ing
    Pronunciation: 'spe-li[ng]
    Function: noun
    1 : the forming of words from letters according to accepted usage : ORTHOGRAPHY
    2 a : a sequence of letters composing a word b : the way in which a word is spelled

    Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

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    The character that looks like the letter "f" stands for the long "s" sound. This old character was still found in the 1769 Oxford KJV edition, in a 1795 Oxford KJV edition, and still in a 1804 Oxford KJV edition.

    All the spelling updating in KJV editions was not finished by 1769 as some have claimed.     </font>[/QUOTE]This was not even a spelling update, simply a character. The "f" looking letter also looks like an "s".

    They are not "f"s except in modern type.     </font>[/QUOTE]No, Logos1560 is correct. English at one time had many characters that it no longer uses, and the spelling of words has changed as old characters were replaced by new ones or simply dropped into disuse.

    Main Entry: spell•ing
    Pronunciation: 'spe-li[ng]
    Function: noun
    1 : the forming of words from letters according to accepted usage : ORTHOGRAPHY
    2 a : a sequence of letters composing a word b : the way in which a word is spelled

    Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    [​IMG]     </font>[/QUOTE]Just as the meaning and useage of words has changed from then to now.
     
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    Long "s"....my curiosity has been fatiffied!

    I noticed in the 1611 KJV that the "r" letter was different at times too.
    Not quite the 'z' I used but not really an 'r' either.

    Rob
     
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    Wouldn't that be preuaileth???
     
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    Disagree that they were spelling changes. If you look at them in the originals, even some US government documents on the 18th century you will see that they look like what they are, long, stretched out "s"s. Our modern eye only sees them as "f"s and that is how they are set in modern type.
     
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    Well guys this thread has been educational and entertaining at the same time. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    The “ſ” is neither an “s” nor an “f.” It is one of the many characters that at one time were in the English alphabet but have fallen out of use. When anyone spells a word with different characters, they are changing the spelling of the word. This is not a matter of a different font; it is a matter of a different character in the English alphabet.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/english-alphabet
     
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    From your link

    Even according to your link the character was indeed a form of "s", not a different character. There were simply three different forms of "s" at one time, in modern terms they would be capital "s", lower case "s", and medial "s".

    I am the first to admit that the spellings have changed in our Bibles, but this was not one of them.
     
    #19 NaasPreacher (C4K), Mar 9, 2006
  20. standingfirminChrist

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    oh well, it waf sun while it lafted.
     
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