He that Covereth sin shall not prosper

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  1. Iconoclast

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    Believe it or not, you are misrepresenting what others believe. I am shocked, SHOCKED to find out that misrepresentation is going on in here.
     
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    I have asked several times....If I say a person needs to repent of any and all sin....and am being told that I hold to a gospel of works, I am not misrepresenting anyone at all.

    Do you agree that a person needs to repent of all sin?

    Is there any sin that you can keep?

    is there any sin that you can take to heaven with you?

    Jesus died for sinners......so...should we then continue in sin that grace can abound?
    God forbid!
    6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


    I believe this section of scripture...I believe that is what it teaches...do you?
     
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    I will stand by what I post.
    I will stand by the truth in these sermons...take a listen ITL...let me know if you find fault with them?
     
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    ITL isn't shocked brother, he's simply grandstanding again. It needs to reiterated and noted that he is never shocked when a moderator does this, all the while you are being falsely accused. His behavior is frankly trollish.

    There is a reason why Scripture says to avoid these types. Unfortunately this behavior won't change, your steps will be dogged and these want you to hang your head in shame. It is you being mocked for standing relentlessly on truth. Keep doing so and do not relent. It takes no courage to sit back and mock and offer drive by posts meant to belittle, attempt to cast undue shame on another, and ridicule.

    The thing that is shocking is the rampant truncating of the one true Gospel on this board in its aspect of repentance. Sound doctrine will not be endured.
     
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    These are 3 really good sermons... I am thankful that many will listen and learn...enjoy
    To me anyone who denies these truths show their very soul is still in danger
     
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    I will listen to them. I use sermon audio a lot. Thank you.
     
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    One of the aspects about salvation as it relates to repentance is that there is no end of repentance until we are complete and standing before Him. The believer's heart, mind, soul, and strength are not some box that is moved from a state of death to that of life, but of a continuum of modification and enhancement.

    If, as some would contend, that repentance brings salvation, it follows that when salvation was brought, there would be no need of further repentance, for "all things are (then) lawful." Ultimately that thinking (imo) leads to agreement with the pelagianistic heresy even the denial of a literal eternity in the lake of fire, and other heretical thinking (millennial exclusion, purgatory, soul sleep...).

    To the believer, though, there is a continuum of experiencing the Holy Spirit exposing the need of maturing and conquering various impulses in the believer in which confession of sin is a natural outpouring of the reliance upon the Savior.

    The "change of mind" is also a "renewing of the mind" which cannot take place without repentance.
     
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    Whomever teaches that false notion concerning repentance is declaring a false gospel and is not contending for the faith - Jude 1:4.
     
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    We are saved...from our sins...
    Sin is an enemy...not a friend of any Christian
    Covering of sin is like ignoring a cancerous growth.
    The basis of church discipline is that unconfessed sin will spread like a cancer.
     
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    I believe that daily prayer will not be answered if we have unconfessed sin.
     
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    Can you be a Christian and believe that you have committed sin of which no repentance is needed? And outside of maintaining an active relationship with the Holy Spirit that indwells and corrects us when we sin, is anyone saved, unsaved because they don't "repent" of a sin after salvation?
     
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    Hello Zaac,
    If a person does not grasp the issues, perhaps is a new believer, or untaught for a time may think that he has no need to repent, for example one time a new christian on the job said that he did not feel convicted that buying or using illegal fireworks was sin.
    At that time it was illegal where we lived to have or use fireworks.
    The Spirit of God will redirect such a person, through conscience, or during a sermon that shoots an arrow at that sin.

    Zaac...when you are witnessing to a person and explaining how we sin and you give an example of a specific sin, and as you do ....your conscience as it were stabs you in the heart...and you think within yourself...hey wait a minute...I have done the very thing you are telling him not to do???
    It has happened to me more than I would like to think possible, but after the conversation I had to confess and repent of that hypocrisy. Do you know what I mean?

     
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    This may be a topic for another thread.

    There was a time I would have agreed.

    But in all practical sense, there is such an abundance of error in the believer that if such were to be illuminated all at one time, it may bring overwhelming dismay. Plus, there would be no capacity of experiential learning from which the believer can rely upon the Father to both forgive and cleanse.

    Rather, I find that awareness of sin in the believer is portioned in such a way as to be a guide, to be a teacher, of being aware in what the enemy's ravaging efforts seek. In this aspect the repentance is not regret (remember Corinthians) but one of edification and standard building.

    Often a believer is driven in humility to confess inadequacy to repulse the enemy, and inability to stave off the worldly lust of flesh, life and pride of life. But in each, there is growth and evidence of the sufficiency of Christ.

    Daily prayer (imo) is cut off from one who haughtily expects forgiveness without regard to shame and reliance upon the sufficiency of Christ. Imo, Proverbs 6:16-19 give a list of why the Lord will not respond to a daily prayer.
     
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    There is also the example given in the letter by Paul where he draws attention to those who "sleep" because of the unconfessed sin.
     
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    prov 6 is good..i was thinking about these verses;
    1 pet3
    Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

    "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me" (Psalm 66:18)
     
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    Absolutely. And it often happens JUST LIKE THAT too.Biggrin I don't believe that the Holy Spirit lets true followers of Christ get away with anything without pointing them to repentance for continued sanctification as we grow in our relationship with Christ.

    Now whether or not some receive it and repent is another story. That not repenting unto sanctification might explain why some folks who say they are followers of Christ appear to be some of the meanest , nastiest folks on the planet.

    And after a while of not seeing any repentance, you start to wonder if there has been a salvation moment whereby the Holy Spirit directs them to repentance unto sanctification?
     
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    I believe you to be 100% correct on this. I know there are a lot of times when I may not be able to remember all of the things that I think I may have done wrong during a day, so I seeks God's forgiveness for the sins I am aware of and the ones of which I may not even be aware. And without fail, often while preparing a sermon, the Holy Spirit moves me to repentance for something I was studying in God's word of which I had been guilty, but could not remember at the time.

    But I think we have moved into a time where a lot of Christians have a chip on their shoulders about things that aren't eternal or an essential part of a Christian testimony. The chip is about worldly things that keep them mired down in unforgiven sin because they can't see clearly enough to even acknowledge the sin as sin.
     
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    The above reinforces the evidence that many hold to the casual gospel.

    Burger King Christianity.
     
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    Zaac sez: "--- And without fail, often while preparing a sermon, ---"

    Does this mean you are a pastor?? If so, full time/ part time/as requested???
     

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