Headcoverings for Women

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  1. mercy4all

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    Hello. I am only on this site occasionally, and value so much of what is written here. I came online today as I recalled that there was once a thread regarding women wearing headcoverings. Honestly, I have wrestled with the question as to whether women (or at least I) should be wearing a cover during prayer.

    I welcome thoughts of others who both believe women should wear headcoverings (or prayer coverings) and those who believe that is not necessary, and why you believe what you do.

    These are not "loaded" questions, but rather seeking godly counsel on the matter from others.

    Thanks.

    - Patty
     
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    I think that the head covering issue was in the OT and under The Law. Now that we are no longer under The Law anymore I would have to say that women do not have to cover their heads in church anymore.
     
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    1 Corinthians 11:2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
    1 Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

    Paul was speaking to the church at Corinth. It was a NT practice of NT believers, which was a symbol of the headship of the man, or conversely the submission of the woman to the man. In the chapter Paul gives six reasons why women should wear a head-covering.

    I find it interesting, that even though:
    1. The Bible teaches it.
    2. All churches, both Catholic and Protestant wore head-coverings from forty years and back,
    3. Almost all churches in eastern nations still wear head-coverings and would count it a shame not to,

    That only in our so-called civilized "western society" do we wish to rebel against such a command that is clearly laid out in God's Word.
     
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    Headcoverings:

    Is that a hat or hair?:saint:
     
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    The ASV translates it this way:

    1 Corinthians 11:6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

    It referred to a head-covering, as in a hat.
     
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    This was talking to the Corinthians where they had temple prostitutes who shaved their heads.

    For Christians, they had to wear head coverings so as not to be likened unto the temple prostitutes.
     
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    Do you really believe that?
    He is giving instruction to all the women in the church.
    The church is composed of baptized believers.
    Remember that. This is an epistle, written to the saints at Corinth. They are believers. These believers were not Temple Prostitutes, neither would the Corinthian Church allow such individuals into their membership. He was writing to believers, not prostitutes.
     
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    DHK, Isn't it true that many believers were fresh out of the pagan world in Corinth, and that some of the women may have recently been prostitutes with shaved heads? Therefore, to appear this way in worship would be offensive and misleading to others.
     
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    No, I see no reason to bring the subject of prostitution into this chapter whatsoever. Paul didn't and the Holy Spirit didn't.

    If you read the chapter Paul gives six reasons why a woman should wear a head-covering, and prostitution was not one of them.
    The first and foremost reason is headship.

    1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
     
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    If it were there'd be other churches in the NT we hear this from.

    It was popular and fashionable to shave thehead, when they did it automatically associated them with the temple prostitutes, people would believe thats who they were.

    Thats right, yet the association was made because of shaving the head, he was telling them not to let it look like they might be temple prostitutes.

    When we read scripture one thing we must know is what were the people like who they were writting too, why did they write that, what was going on around them, this makes a big difference when interpeting it. DHK is leaving this out.


    That might be becasue the people he wrote too knew and understood what he meant.

    As has been pointed out many times before on this board, wearing a head covering in no way proves or disproves a woman knows and beleives she is under her husbands headship. There are women who cover their heards who are not, it is only a symbol, not proof either way.
     
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    In this same chapter of Scripture (1Cor.11) is described how we should observe the Lord's Supper. Since that instruction is given no where else in the Bible, I suppose we shouldn't observe it. It is just an anomaly of the Corinthian church--only in their culture, right?
    All of this is: opinion, extra-Biblical, and has no foundation in the Bible. Give me a chapter and verse. My authority is the Bible, not imagination.
    Chapter and verse please. Where does he write about temple prostitutes?
    I do see where he writes about wearing a covering as a sign of a man's authority over a woman.
    I am not leaving anything out.
    Unlike others I am not making things up either. Stick to the Bible.
    The Holy Spirit inspired Paul to right the words that he wrote. Nothing is said about temple prostitutes. This is some imaginative interpretation. It is the same kind of logic that a Catholic uses to prove infant baptism. "We know infants are baptized because the household of the jailer was baptized, and there must have been infants in the household." It is an argument from silence. So is yours. You are reading into the Scriptures things that are not there. It is an argument from silence.
    1 Corinthians 11:6 For if a woman is not veiled, let her also be shorn: but if it is a shame to a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be veiled.

    This not only a symbol; it is a command.
    It is like the Lord's Supper in the last part of the chapter.

    1 Corinthians 11:24 and when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, This is my body, which is for you: this do in remembrance of me.
    --There is an actual piece of bread involved (just as there is a headcovering).
    The bread represents the body of Christ; just as the headcovering represents the headship of the man over the woman.
     
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    I didn't say the church had them. I said Corinth had them.
     
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    You might want to do an historic background of Corinth. In fact, you might want to visit Corinth ruins. Up from Corinth city proper is the acropolis of Corinth, where many prostitutes went (with their men).
     
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    BTW, I am not saying we should or shouldn't observe it.
     
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    Thank you for your responses, all.

    I must admit that I am really wrestling with these verses. So far, only DHK is bringing scripture into this discussion, though I very much appreciate learning the cultural insights too.

    Bottom line, it does say the veil is used for the purpose of "headship" -- regardless of the issue of prostitutes. On that note, I would love to hear what you all think about "headship" and in that respect why you do or don't believe headcoverings are necessary.
     
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    In our culture, the wedding ring represents the headship issue....

    When you see a woman with a wedding ring, everyone knows she is married.

    To divorce Scripture from it's history and cultural settings is the way false doctrines begin...

    If you want to wear one, fine.. go for it...

    But don't (like so many do) think that just because you wear one you are a better Christian than those that don't... I have already seen in this thread where one person called those that don't "rebels"

    To say a person is more spiritual because of this issue is Pride...

    Which is a sin...

    So now we have women who are full of pride wearing headcoverings...

    Maybe the headcoverings will shield the pride in their heart... nah...


    On a much more lighter note.....

    I have seen women I WISHED wore headcoverings... but not just the top of their heads... if you know what I mean! lol!

    (OK tiny is now running from all the women carrying clubs and rolling pins)
     
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    Please don't misunderstand, I am not here to judge anyone. I am simply wrestling with this scripture and was seeking the thoughts of others. Please know, I don't rate other Christians ... period.

    I'm glad you brought up the wedding band because I have heard this in the past and it makes some sense to me.
     
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    Oh, I am not saying you are judging... but I have seen others (here where I live) judge others because they don't wear headcoverings... Some of the denominations here wear them... and I have overheard women with them on, putting down others in a local grocery store.

    All I am saying is if you decide to, go for it... just be careful... because like any differences in our churches, there is the tendency for pride. (I know.. .I have to fight it myself)

    Maybe that will be a good subject for another thread.... I will title it "other's spirituality"
     
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    I am fixin' to wrap up yo' head.
     
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    Gotta catch me first!
     

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