Headship and Authority

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  1. Headcoveredlady

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    Hello,
    I have felt led to start a topic on Biblical Submission. I have many verses that I would like to discuss with those who have been practicing it for a long time, a short time, just beginning or just seeking. While I recognize that not everyone agrees with my take on Biblical Submission I must say that that does not make them less saved and me more saved. The Only way to the Father is through the shed blood of the Son. Thought I would post that upfront so there are no misunderstandings.

    What I am saying is that I see a big gap in the Church today in reference to Biblical submission. I rarely hear it taught and even more seldomly see it lived out. I have been blessed to have a few Titus two women in my life for whom I am grateful to the Lord for.

    I am most interested in hearing from ladies, but if there are men would want to share how their wives submission has blessed them that would be wonderful too.

    I will type out a few verses and go from there. I also want to mention there have been a few books that have helped me, "Me Obey Him," Hanaford, "A Woman for God's Glory," Byler, "The Excellent Wife," Peace, and the cassette teaching, "The Hidden Woman", Kenaston and "Headship and it's Symbolic Practices". If you have any others please list them so they can be of benefit to others.

    Genesis 2:18, "And the Lord GOd said, it is not good that a man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him."

    Genesis 2:23,"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man."

    Proverbs 31:11-12, "The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life."

    Proverbs 31:23," Her husband is known in the gates, when HE sitteth among the elders of the land."

    1 Corinthians 11:3,"But, I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

    1 Corinthians 11:8-9, "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman, BUT THE WOMAN FOR THE MAN."

    Ephesians 5:22-24, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the HEAD OF THE WIFE, even as Christ is the Head of the Church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject to unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands IN EVERYTHING."

    Colossians 3:18, "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as is fit in the Lord."

    1 Peter 3:1-2,4-7," Likewise ye wives be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they may be won by the conversation of the wives; while they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. But, let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old times the HOLY WOMEN, ALSO, who trusted in God, ADORNED THEMSELVES, BEING IN SUBJECTION UNTO THEIR OWN HUSBANDS. Even as Sara OBEYED ABRAHAM, CALLING HIM LORD, Whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement."

    In addition I have heard that Charles Spurgeon's wife called him Tershatha, (Sp), which in the Greek means lord. Correct me if I am wrong, Greek scholars. I personally do not call my husband lord, but I wonder has anyone done that and what effect did that have on your marriage?

    I am someone who has practiced this for a while not very long. When I first married I had no idea what this meant. But, the Lord has been patient to teach me that submission is in all things. And there is much peace and blessing when I die to self.

    What effects have putting yourself completely under your husband had on your marriage and your husband and yourself? Your children? Your community? Your husband's place of work?


    HCL
     
  2. Molly

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    Thanks,HCL for your scripture and words.

    I just listened this morning to Doug Phillips audio on the "Blessed Marriage"...how we have failed early on in our marriage...we lacked vision for God's ways,we entered marriage with selfishness and pride...now our hearts are being changed. As we study more and more,we see God's blessed picture of what marriage is to be and I want to follow in that...It is truly sweet to be seeking after God's ways instead of mine own. Thankfully,my husband is seeking the Lord and desires to lead our family to be more Christ-like in everything we do. I want to be submissive,honoring my husband above all,and teaching my girls that praying for a godly husband is the most important thing you can do.

    I will post more on this later,we are off for a thanksgiving feast at my parents home across town.

    Molly [​IMG]

    www.visionforum.com

    [ November 28, 2002, 11:03 PM: Message edited by: Molly ]
     
  3. Jim1999

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    The way to marital bliss is summed up in the learning of two words........"Yes, dear!"

    My dear wife remains my partner in life and will never, ever become my chattel. We both know who the Lord is, and we know who each other is. The is no need to lord over. In fact, as time goes along, we find our minds as one in most things; the rest doesn't seem important.

    We always made decisions as a family and the children had their say as well. Our money was a family affair...it was never my dollar or her dollar,,it was ours to use.

    Do I take a leadership role? Indeed I do and my family respects that. Isn't this what it means in scripture? I believe the bible also says we are to love the husband,,,,,it also says to love the wife,,,,,,and children likewise. Respect begets respect, and honour , honour. I believe I am very biblical in this.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  4. Helen

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    Amen, Jim. My husband is a lot like you, I think, and no one appreciates it more than me!

    God bless you both.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Has anybody found a verse that say this?

    "Men, Lord it over your wives
    and make sure they kowtow unto you."

    If so, i need it yesterday [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  6. KeeperOfMyHome

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    As my pastor teaches in sunday school . . . the husband is a servant-leader.

    Julia
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Sister Julie -- Preach it!

    My pastor preaches that from time to time.
    After enough years maybe i can learn to do
    it right.

    BTW, i'm THANKFUL for my DW= dear wife
    [​IMG] THANKFUL [​IMG]
    on this THANKSgiving day. She does submission
    just right. This makes it easier for me
    to be a servant-leader in my family.
     
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    While I've never called my husband of nearly 40yrs. "lord", I have used "sir". Has he always been the perfect provider? Have I always been the perfect wife? Are you kidding???

    Even as a young wife, and not having been taught anything about Biblical submission, I knew there was something to it. I haven't read any of those books, but my fellowship & obedience with the Lord has always come first & submission to my husband next.

    There was a time when he said I had to forsake my keepersathome position & work in the public...this turned into a disaster, which he soon realized & was able to return to my Godly calling. Even when he abandoned us(twice), I still worked at home & prayed for him.

    I've laid out his clothes, packed his lunch, fixed his plate first, thought of his needs in all things...He's always had clean clothes, shined shoes, a neat haircut, bubblebaths, favorite pie, etc.

    I've asked his approval for everything I've done, including being on here. I don't feel degraded or like a slave & it is pure joy & real freedom to die to one's self.

    I love him more today than ever before & will 'til the day I die. I have lived my life the way I believe God would have me to & my only desire has been to please Him, my husband & my children.
     
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    Thank you, husband Ed [​IMG]

    As I have said before, if ones husband takes his rightful role in the family, then it is easy for the wife to support him and assume her role.

    We try to always place God first.
     
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    Ed,
    That is lovely to say about your wife, knowing that she would read it. And I like what you said that it makes it easier for you.

    To Granny,
    Thank you for that lovely word-picture of how you have and still do treat your husband even when things were tough.

    HCL
     
  11. Johnv

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    The way to marital bliss is summed up in the learning of two words........"Yes, dear!"

    BWA HA HAAA!!!! How incredibly true. Every man should learn those words!!!

    Now if anyone could explain to me why I'm not married????
     
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    Dear Johnv,
    Only you know the answer to that question.
     
  13. Helen

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    Actually, HCL, probably it is only God who knows the answer to that question... [​IMG]
     
  14. Ernie Brazee

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    The answer to submission is found in these verses, then notice the husbands RESPONSIBILITY:


    Ephesians 5:

    21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
    Ephesians 5:26 (KJV)
    26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
    Ephesians 5:27 (KJV)
    27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
    Ephesians 5:28 (KJV)
    28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
    Ephesians 5:29 (KJV)
    29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
    Ephesians 5:30 (KJV)
    30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
    Ephesians 5:31 (KJV)
    31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.


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  15. Miss Maggie

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    I submit to my husband on purpose, intentionally. He is a difficult husband. I am a head-strong, ornery wife. I submit anyway. It isn't always easy. Actually, the challenge of it, makes it more fun. Anyone can submit to an easy, loveing, fair, gentle spirited husband. It takes a woman in love with the Lord to submit to a difficult husband.

    A difficult husband is a gift straight from God. Fred (my DH) has taught me more about my own faults and my own shortcomings that an easier husband would have. Fred has given me the opportunity to get real honest about myself with God and with him. Each weakness that Fred's difficultness has helped me uncover has been the direct path to uncovering the strength which the Lord has placed underneath it.

    I submit to my husband. Even when he expects things that I "know" are ridiculous. I do it as a matter of faith. When I do what he says, it makes him have no choice but to take responsibility for his own actions, and actually improves his leadership skills in the long run. As long as I am disobeying him, or doing things my own way, instead of his, he can point to me and blame me for whatever is going wrong. When I am doing all that he asks though, he has no choice but to come face to face with his own decisions, the good the bad and the "Oh, My Land, I can't believe I did that!"

    The best way to change a difficult husband is to let him have his way and submit to him with the spirit of the Lord. You may not be able to trust the difficult husband to do what is right, but you can always trust God working inside of the difficult husband. And even the most difficult husband can't do a darned thing to change that.
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  16. Helen

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    Way to go, Maggie! That is hard. And to be grateful for him is really a sign of the Holy Spirit working in you! My DH left me after twenty years, about 18 of which were being shared with other women I didn't know about! I was NEVER going to be married again, but nine years later did get married to a man who puts Christ first and me second and I have never felt so spoiled in my life! One thing for sure, I will NEVER take him for granted!

    And yet, without a previous DH, I know I would not appreciate Barry so much now. I'm glad you are seeing the blessings at the moment. Sometimes I could, but many times I was simply in tears and could not see it at all.

    God bless you and give you the compassion and wisdom and love and endurance this requires of you.
     
  17. Miss Maggie

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    Thank you Helen. I'm glad you were able to find peace with your second husband. Leaving Fred has never been an option for me. I love him. Plain and Simple. I can't imagine life any other way. It's not always easy, but it is always rewarding, and it strengthens my walk with the Lord, so how could it be anything but a blessing?

    I think it was Paul who mentioned he had a thorn:

    II Corinthians 12:7:
    And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.


    Having a difficult husband is like that. It keeps you humble and walking on the straight and narrow path. ;) :D [​IMG] :D
     
  18. Dr. Bob

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    Mutual submission of me to the wife and the wife to me is of great blessing. The whole concept of Ephesians 5 is based on mutual submission.

    For that I am thankful. And for a wife who is a godly mate. :cool:
     
  19. Walls

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    Amen, I needed that ;)
     

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