Hebrews 8:10-12

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  1. KenH

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    Hebrews 8:10-12(NASB)
    10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
    After those days, says the Lord:
    I will put My laws into their minds,
    And I will write them on their hearts.
    And I will be their God,
    And they shall be My people.
    11 “And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen,
    And everyone his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
    For all will know Me,
    From the least to the greatest of them.
    12 “For I will be merciful to their iniquities,
    And I will remember their sins no more.”

    I find it interesting that the "I" here is all work done by God. He is not depending on man to do anything. The only place man is mentioned in this is as "not" doing something.
     
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    The "them" being spoken of is the Children of Israel, and not the gentiles. So just as God "hardens" the children of Israel, God remolds them.
     
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    Yelsew,

    Christians are part of the new covenant referenced in these verses.

    I am beginning to wonder if Calvinists and Arminians are reading the same Bible. :confused:
     
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    There is little evidence that the House of Israel is changing in accordance with this new covenenant. Therefore, I do not believe this new covenant will be in effect until the time of the gentiles is complete.
     
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    I give up. :rolleyes:

    Adios for a while.
     
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    Yelsew,

    You have to be kidding.

    The New Covenant is the one in Christ's blood. If it isn't in effect yet, then you aren't saved.

    Clearly you have no understanding of the Bible.
     
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    In Hebrews chapter eight you will find more than two covenants. The first two are noticeable at a glance. 'If that first covenant {Law} had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second {the covenant of Grace}. We live under the covenant of grace until the rapture of the bride to Heaven. [I Thess. 4:13]

    The writer of Hebrews had a reason to say that God ' . . . found fault with them.' {both the covenant of Law and Grace} This does not mean that they did not serve their purpose, but God's planning as to covenants changes with different eras of time. The reason He found fault with the covenant of Law and grace is because there is still another covenant that is coming yet future. In the Millinimum, the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth, He will make a unique covenant with Israel or as the writer says, ' . . . with the House of Israel and the house of Judah.' [Hebrews 8:8]

    A further peculiarity is that under our present covenant only a trickle of people even know the Lord in our twenty-first century. In all of the Muslim nations about 98% of the people believe in Allah. But, when Jesus sets up His theocracy in Jerusalem [Zachariah 14:17] most of the world of people will come to know Jesus through faith. Jesus will require their allegiance and personal pilgrimage to Jerusalem. [vs. 16]

    Still another differentiation is found in the fact that the vast majority will know the Lord [Hebrews 8:11] who will sit on the throne in the holy city of Jerusalem. I have checked with the leadership of Messianic Christians who live in NYC and they agree with this view of eschatology.

    If a person does not see three covenants in Hebrews chapter eight, then there is no meaning behind the 'House of Judah and the House of Israel.'

    Although God may classify us all under one unconditional covenant via the 'Abrahamic Covenant' as to salvation, He nevertheless, has a covenant of Law, Grace and His Messianic covenant yet to be introduced.
     
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    Yelsew,

    I agree with your post. I think you will find some similarities to my view of this passage with yours. This is a confirmation that our view is correct.

    The introduction of the Messianic covenant means that the covenant of grace as we know it today will evolve into His theocratic Kingdom Age. Obedience to the Lord will be the call word to a loving, faith relationship to Him.

    If some brethren would study their Bible the way they try to justify Calvin's presuppositions then they would understand the coming age.
     
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    Yelsew is right, Ken. In fact, the whole book of Hebrews should be ripped out of the New Testament, since it is written to the Hebrews, and not to Christians. ;)
     
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    Since the Cross of Jesus Christ even until this day we are living under the New Covenant of Grace, spoken of as the ' . . . better covenant,' [Hebrews 8:6] because it is founded on ' . . . better promises,' coming from God. [vs. 6]

    God will one day 'find fault with them' [vs. 8] and will introduce a new covenant with Israel as noted in [vs. 8] during the Kingdom Age on earth. This future covenant will appear on the earth as also mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31.
     
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    Context is key.

    I think you need to read chapter 4 to understand chapter 5:

    1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left to us of entering into His rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them; but the Word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter into rest, as He said, "As I have sworn in My wrath, `If they shall enter into My rest'"--although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He spoke in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And God rested on the seventh day from all His works." 5 And again in this place: "If they shall enter into My rest"--. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter in because of unbelief, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David "today," after so long a time, as it is said, "Today if you will hear His voice, harden not your hearts."
     
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    Hello Bill.

    Remember that song on Sat. mornings..."I'm just a Bill....on Capitol Hill...but some day....I'm gonna be a Law...?

    When I see your name this song jingles in my head, sorry, can't help it. Just thought I'd share that.... :D

    Most people relate to me either 'who shot J.R. or 'Going thru the Big D and don't mean Dallas...go figure. :rolleyes:

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Thank You Ray.

    I knew that I was correct, but your explanation certainly added to my understanding.

    Thank you too Npetreley, but I have to disagree that Hebrews should not be part of the Christian bible. You see, there are Hebrew Christians everywhere in the world, and the book of Hebrews is a strong link that binds us to them.
     
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    Yet Calvin was arrogant? Hey fellows spell Jesus, in the Hebrew it is Joshua, a thorough word study will show that Jesus means 'in whom Jehovah is satisfied'

    Add Christ as in Jesus Christ and we have 'in whom Jehovah is satisfied, the anointed Messiah of God'

    Christ Jesus is: The anointed Messiah, in whom Jehovah is satisfied'

    Where do we find bro. Dallas, Ray, Yelsew, Ken, Glen, Bill, Npetreley or any other? If satisfying to Jehovah, it is in Christ they are found. When? At the Cross where He bought His people, who did He pay? satan, no, He, as His name says satisfied Jehovah.

    Bro. Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    JOSHUA? or JESHUA?

    Christ is not Mary's or Joseph's last name therefore it is not Jesus' last name!
     
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    Jesus is the Greek for Joshua.

    Christ is the name of the annointed Messiah of God. Jesus manifested God in the flesh, the manifestation of this Messiah.

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    None of the above, if you want to get persnickety. Yeshua better reflects the way it is pronounced.
     
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    O.K. forgive me; but I did tell you I was not perfect.

    Jesus the Christ; is that satisfactory?

    What about Paul's calling our Lord Christ Jesus; should we correct him? make it perhaps Christ the Jesus, obviously Jesus is not his last name either.

    There is yet found a meaning in each usage of the names:

    Jesus Christ
    and
    Christ Jesus

    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Are you saying that "the" is His middle name? ;)
     
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