"Hell-a-vision" the real issue

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  1. Salamander

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    Tv IS a source for recreation, instruction, etc., but the main impact on the viewer is the case in point as to whether it can be viewed in a rash manner as being a tool of the devil.

    Many things can be said about the TV, but please do NOT start discussing individuals and their quirks to rant and rave about their person as to rail upon them and denigrate their character, no matter how "nutty" they seem!

    OK, have at it!:1_grouphug:
     
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    TV can be good or it can be bad. What a person watches is their choice. Discretions/discernment are imperative.

    We watch a TV, but we only watch VHS/DVDs and we are careful to screen them for the children. We don't like many modern movies.

    The one thing I miss about TV is the news. I haven't been able to watch the news in years. The one thing I don't miss is when we would fall asleep watching ESPN and wake up to pictures unmentionable---hence the reason why we don't watch TV.
     
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    Sound reasoning there my vegetable friend. I really love to eat spinach, can't stand collards though!

    Does that make me a racist?

    We do the same and I hope you have purchased the "TV Guardian", we call it a "de-cusser".

    The real issue is when you're watching The Waltons and a commercial comes on advertising "colon cleansing" with a "naked"/bikini clad teenager who just got finished using the product! Then it's too late, you've been exposed to nudity. your children have been exposed to some one who is wearing their underwear in public! Isn't that one thing we rednecks have tried to teach our children is to NOT go around in your underwear, especially is it has "skidmarks"!:eek:

    Of course you ARE a redneck if you think the "8-10 lb." label on Pampers means how much they'll hold!:thumbsup:
     
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    Woah, this post is all over the map!

    I don't particularly like spinach, except when hidden in a fruit smoothie. Then it's fabulous! I don't like any other greens either.

    I considered a TV guardian while living in the States, but it wouldn't work here. It doesn't make any difference, though, becuase we live too har out in the villages to get any TV signal. We'd have to buy a satelite and we have other, better things to spend our money on.

    You're worried about a bikini-clad teen who just used a colon cleanse, and rightly so, but have you ever been to Europe? Now that's something to worry about!
     
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    Honestly I've never seen a colon cleanse commercial with a bikini clad teen but I have seen a bikini clad teen walking down Main Street. Does that mean that I don't go downtown? We also have a sailboat and I have to tell you, I saw a sight that I don't ever want to see again this past summer (a neighboring boat had an elderly couple who was into skinny dipping). Did we get rid of the boat? No. We just told the kids to go down below and play Phase 10. :) We do the best that we can with what we have. Monitor TV, but it's not evil in and of itself. If we're going to smash a TV with a baseball bat, I think we also need to pluck out our eyes. ;)
     
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    As extreme as you may view smashing a tv with a bat, it would be considered insanity to try and change the channel on the body of water you were on without the proper equipment or permission from the local atuhorities just as much to try and change the channel on Main Street would be to alter existence in a way to transform it by simply turning the dial or pressing a button!:tongue3:

    The TV is much different that the great wide-open!

    We can't help very much the children seeing the neighborhood dogs running amuck , but we do have a choice of what comes into our living rooms!

    Are you saying that glimpses of adulterous behaviour and other obscenities NEVER come across the screen before some innocents see them and tilt their heads in "wonderment"?

    Our experiences with our children is it is kept to a bare minimum what they are able to "see" in opposition to what is godly when it comes to the marriage bed being undefiled and what is considered extreme violence and gross visualization..

    Now if some one snuck a camera into our bedroom? talk about GROSS visualizations!:sleep: :eek: :sleep:
     
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    I'm not saying that bad things aren't on TV but this is where discernment and the "off" button comes in handy. ;)
     
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    I can't understand how someone could waste a congregation's time by indulging themselves in a sermon like this. It is an example of a poor pastoral style.

    Of course I consider the source. Poor hermeneutics seem obvious too.

    Television is an electronic means of communication, albeit mass communication. What is develop for television is often done so outside of what you and I might enjoy. That is why (as others have mentioned) televisions have off buttons and more than one channel and no one is required to have one.

    Perhaps a better theme is "how do you make wise choices?" or "what does God expect from our use of liberty?"

    What a sad, sad ministry it must be to constantly be wasting one's precious time in the pulpit to address such triviality.
     
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    I agree. We need to be having pastors teaching discernment rather than rules. Wisdom is what the goal is - not a list of "yes" or "no"s. "TV" is not evil and it not good. We need to discern - and teach our children discernment too. THAT is what is important.
     
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    I watch very limited TV. Usually the History, Discovery, or Learning Channel. Sometimes I will watch TV land and on rare occasion Sci-Fi.

    The three major networks and their reality shows I can hardly stand. When my kids were growing up, the shows I remember us restricting were MTV, the Simpsons, and the like.
     
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    As I've mentioned elsewhere, we got rid of cable not too long ago and I'm pretty happy with the decision.

    I also want to add that we got rid of it because we can get all of our shows over the internet and that the only two sports I watch are football and hockey. It wasn't because I think TV programming is evil.

    During the week I consume quite a bit of shows over the internet and rather enjoy most of them. If you choose to not watch television or programming that's fine. There are plenty of good Christians who do and don't have a problem limiting their interaction from certain shows.

    Digesting culture is like slaughtering a cow. There is alot out there and you need to know what are the good parts and what are the bad parts. You can dine out on the prime cuts, or wallow in the bad parts. I tend to refer to the discernment of te Holy Spirit as the sharpening of the knives you use to cut into culture. The discipleship process as a means of learning how to cut well. :)
     
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    The "real issue" in the TV debate isn't that there is little good in TV. The real issue is those who can't bide the fact that others may be more devout or mature in their religion than they are.
     
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    Then who cares? If you don't think your act glorified God or set an example, why even mention it?
     
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    Being devout in religion hardly makes someone mature.

    Maturity can be seen more in a Christian who discerns the effect anything has on their lives. That will vary greatly from one person to the next as the Holy Spirit leads.

    If your TV has caused you to sin, turn it off or smash it with a bat. That's fine. But don't think that all those who have not smashed their TV's are less mature. They may have smashed something you still treasure.

    In Christ, we will all get to full maturity someday...but I doubt it happens "down here"
     
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    Yes, Pharisees were always pointing out that the true Christ followers were not as devout as they were.

    You can keep your religion.. I have a relationship with Jesus... and my level of maturity is not dependent upon what I do.. .but on who I am in Christ.

    You espoused a works based religion...
     
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    It was an important cavaet I felt led to include. Obviously you feel different. Thank you for being willing to express it as you feel so compelled to do at all points. Cheerio!
     
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    So not having TV is a sign of devotion and maturity? Wow - that's a new one. I think a sign of maturity is to be able to speak with grace and not anger.


    GREAT example.

    So far, neither one of these posts glorify God or set an example. So who cares? See??

    Instead, someone posted practically how their family dealt with the TV issue. I see you haven't posted anything practical to add to the conversation.
     
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    The OP suggests taking a ball bat to the TV... and did so in a sermon... remember that one?

    That's practical..

    I personally use the little button on the remote that changes channels.. a lot less work!
     
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    Not to mention that as a homeschooling parent, a video display (to play videos and DVDs) is a great tool. Moody has some great science videos. Oh that's right. Moody is on his Repentance Blacklist. Guess he can't use them.
     
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    I once heard a pastor say that "to say that anything matter, or material is sinful, in and of itself is pure paganism"
    He went on to say that sin must be dealt with in the sinners heart.

    This was in talking about beverages but the same could of course be applies to TV, computers etc.

    Saying that a TV is sinful is not a christian worldview at all.

    Oh, and what hypocrisy of sanderson to now post on youtube!
    There is not one argument against TV that I can think of that could not also be placed against youtube.
     
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