HELL- Does it Burn Forever and Ever?

I posted this on your other thread, but I'll move it here.

You have to ignore a huge amount of scripture to believe that hell is not an eternal fire.

Matthew 18:8“If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.

Mark 9:44 where ‘ Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:10-11 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

I could name a lot more but you get the picture, I hope.

 

Claudia just wrote over 1800 words to say the Bible is not true.

And we believe that the doctrine of the naturally immortal soul came from the Roman Catholic Church who got it from the Greeks, who were pagans. by Claudia

The wicked dont get the gift of eternal life... they dont get to live forever and ever... in hell

anyway I just wanted to explain those things because alot of people go off then saying that SDAs dont believe in Hell, or that the wicked get punished... but thats not true.?

But anyway please dont think that I dont believe in Hell...
I think that people will burn for a time, some longer than others. but that the fire will go out... after a time

Ed, what do you call this?

 

If not Hell, then the Lake of Fire. The end result is the same. So, yes it does. Your doctrine is totally false, heretical, and is based on a complete misunderstanding of Scripture, if not a deliberate twisting of Scripture. You would do good to mind Peter's words:

2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
You face your own destruction if you keep on this way. Destruction in the Bible does not mean annihilation. Destruction has its consequences. The consequences of eternal destruction is separation from God for all eternity.

Everyone has an immortal spirit, given at the time of birth. At death that spirit will go to heaven or hell depending on whether it is saved or unsaved. It is immortal already. That is why we have the ability to communicate with God. Man is a spirit-being. That is what differentiates him from animals. That spirit lives on forever, and will live either in Hell or Heaven. Read 2Cor.5. We have an earthly tabernacle that houses an eternal spirit. This tabernacle or tent will someday turn to dust. Someday we will receive our celestial body or tabernacle which will be glorified and house our spirit. The spirit lives. Our body does not.

The spirit of the unsaved also lives. Someday it will also receive an immortal body, as there will be a second resurrection. The word "resurrection" always refers to the physical body. That physical body will clothe the spirit and stand before God in the Great White Throne Judgement only to receive its final judgement and be cast into the Lake of Fire to endure everlasting destruction forever and ever. There will be wailing and weeping and gnashing of teeth--something a spirit cannot do.

You do err not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God.
God gave to every man and woman an immortal spirit.
To the animals also he gave a soul.
The spirit at death goes to heaven just as Lazarus went to paradise. Someday the resurrection will take place and Lazarus will receive his body as well. Some day the second resurrection will take place and the rich man will receive his body and be cast into the Lake of fire. Is it that hard to understand the Scriptures? Why do you twist them?

 

This is absolutey false. John is using a parable. He is speaking to Jews. He is not referring to the Lake of Fire. Nowhere does he speak of the Lake of Fire. This is more Scripture twisting by you. I adomonish you to remember the words of 2Peter 3:16.
John is using a picture of a barn that is being swept clean. It is a parable. The teaching in the parable is that of purification. It is a parable about the Kingdom. The subjects are Jews, and the topic is the Kingdom. He is teaching that the Kingdom will be pure. Not everything in the parable has a literal meaning. There is one central truth to the parable. He is speaking of purity, and nowhere does he say that the unbelieving will be annihilated. That is your false doctrine that has been made up by your false cult.

But that is not the teaching of the parable; that is the teaching of Claudia and the SDA's. Learn the teaching of the Bible. It will serve you much better. It is not speaking of the burning up of "souls." And it gives no inidcation that it does. It speaks of the preparation of the Kingdom. The Kingdom will be purified. That is all. You read too much into it. Nowhere in the Bible does it teach the annihilation of souls or soul sleep.

Absolutely--on every unsaved individual in history.

What is a city Claudia? Is the city simply the buildings and the infrastucture, or does the word "city" include the people within it? Without the people there is no city. When Sodom and Gomorrrah were destroyed all those that were in it went into everlasting punishment. What did Jesus say about them.

Matthew 11:23-24 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
Sodom is not just ashes. The people of Sodom will be there at the day of Judgement--the Great White Throne Judgement, which Jesus referred to.

Since when does destruction mean annihiliation? It doesn't. And that is precisely why it is everlastig. You have defeated your own argument by quoting this verse. The punishment is everlasting. It is everlasting separation from God--forever and forever--the worst kind of "destruction" a person could have. It does not mean annihilation. That is your mixed up interpretation.

 

Read verse 10--and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. You conveniently leave this out. There is no other meaning here but eternal punishment.

Couldn't be any plainer could it. So why do you deny it?

But there is no reason to allegorize the meaning or settle for a lesser meaning when the primary meaning fits the context just as well. Otherwise you are not rightly dividing the word of truth and are simply forcing your own ideas into the text. In other words you are making things up.

It is understood within the context in which it is given; context which you ignore. The context of Hell and the the Lake of Fire is vastly different than the context of the service of a slave. Is there such a thing as common sense here?

So you equate the length of these people's lives to the length of the time of Hell or the Lake of Fire?? Amazing? I think you need a lesson, not only in hermeneutics, but in the English language as well.

 

Something to think about when talking to a lost person, Notice,
1Co 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that [was] not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1Co 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven. 1Co 15:48 As [is] the earthy, such [are] they also that are earthy: and as [is] the heavenly, such [are] they also that are heavenly. 1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1Co 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 1Co 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law. 1Co 15:57 But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 1Co 15:58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

We as saved people we will be "changed" however there is no place I've found where a lost person will ever be changed. We can't imagine a person dying in a sinful body wracked by sin and rejecting the free pardon of sin and then spending eternity in the lake of fier in that same condition.

 

HELL- Does it Burn Forever and Ever?

It will at least burn until the Cleveland Browns win the Super Bowl! Then what I have been told my entire life about hell freezing over will be the end of hell...

 

"Does Hell burn forever?" What does the Bible say?

 

And you point is??
The only point of that verse is to give further evidence to the credence of everlasting punishment in the Lake of Fire. Check again with Rev.20:10.

 

Rv:20:14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

thats what my Bible says...by Claudia

Then why can't you just believe it?

 

Death is separation...The lost will be separated from God forever.


The burning bush was on fire, but not consumed, so there can be a fire that doesn't consume...Exodus 3:2

Immortality came with the image of God that humans were created in... not based upon whether we eat the right fruit...
Therefore we will exist somewhere forever, either in the Lake of fire or Heaven..

If Hell is short, why cast it into the Lake of fire?

If people don't go to Hell upon death, why even mention it is thrown into the lake of fire...
What is Hell then?

 

In Rev. 20:14.15, it says, "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

 

Only through a misunderstanding of Scripture or a purposeful twisting of Scripture can one conclude that unbelievers will not be tormented in the lake of fire for eternity. The Bible is very plain about this.

To teach the false doctrine of annihilation is very dangerous. If people believe this to be true, then why get saved? Some will undoubtedly reason that they can live however they want here on earth. In the end, they will eventually cease to exist anyway. Once they no longer exist, they cannot experience pain, anguish, dispair...nothing. They would not even remember they existed in the first place.

Hopefully no one reading about the false doctrine of annihilation will be led to believe it is true. God's Word is true and it does not teach this doctrine.

 

If hell was not so bad why did Jesus Christ die such a hideous death to redeem mankind.......