Hellfire and Brimstone..???

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  1. Revelator

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    So what do you fellars think about this? Dya preach hellfire and brimstone or are you milder?
    Just curious..personally I do and I believe we should without second thought...mainly as God leads us to. I don't want to be a doomsdayer but I also think that we should not make our sermons soft for todays church. (which is mainly too soft)
    So uh lemme hear from you.
     
  2. ResIpsaLoquitur

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    My father does but alot of preachers I have seen in other churches don't. There should be more preachers like this in my opinion.
     
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    Here's about as Fire and Brimstone as I get:

    Make Way

    Most of the congregants I see in Midtown Atlanta are more in need of a word of grace than a word of condemnation. Both are biblical and have their place, but it is the preachers job to know the congregations needs.

    Joshua
     
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    I preach through books of the Bible in an expository fashion. So if the passage deals with hell or brimstone, fine. If not, it's a sin to try to make a passage say something it doesn't say
     
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    I should have mentioned that I'm a lectionary preacher and my preaching is expository as well.

    Since the focus of the Advent texts is on the coming of Christ, they can lean towards the fire and brimstone. That's what brought that sermon to mind.

    Joshua
     
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    Hell Fire and brimstone preachers really get on my nerves.
     
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    "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me, gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white rainment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and annoint thy eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:16-18

    The Lord Jesus went on to the word "Repent!"
    If this is what might be called hell fire and brimstone preaching then count me in. I think it got on alot of "nerves".
     
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    I think Tina is refering to "I'm holier than thou" doomsday preachers. The pointing finger preachers annoy me too.

    You can be firm without being overbearing.

    UNP
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    Does the Apostle Paul get on your nerves too?
    From 2 Thess. 11:6-9

    6. Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense * tribulation to them that trouble * you;

    7. And to you who are troubled * rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    8. In flaming fire taking * vengeance on them that know * not God, and that obey * not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9. Who shall be punished * with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    Sure sometimes all the preaching on "women in pants" "movies" etc. get on my nerves, but when youre talking about an eternal lake of fire wher people will spend eternity in unimaginable pain FOREVER! it would "get on my nerves" if a preacher didnt preach on it.
     
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    I think it is the job of an pastor to reach the lost around him however he sees God lead him. Perhaps in some cultures some people need to be threatened, but I know in many cases threatening someone with hellfire and brimstone will only serve to drive them farther from the Lord. I know many of the people I have seen need a message of grace, truth, and love. This message does not preach that the Christian life is an easy one, but that they have a Savior that loves them and wants a personal relationship with them, not a God who will send them wielding to a pit of hell if they don't follow his commands, which is often what fire and brimstone preaching comes out sounding. This is of course, coming from my experience.

    UNP
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    I am not this type of Preacher(at least not all the time) but maybe when people say they get on their nerves they really meant they were on their toes and if the truth is known the Preacher was aiming at neither but for the heart
     
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    I, too, find as an expositor not an evangelist that preaching hellfire is only as common as it occurs in the Word. But last Sunday I preached (in my series on the greatest texts of the OT prophets) from Amos 4.

    Talk about a "gimme" sermon outline. Textual and expository preaching can be intense!

    Example:
    First Natural Calamity - "Hunger" Amos 4:6
    Hunger in the world today - 10,000 will starve to death TODAY
    Result: YE HAVE NOT RETURNED

    Second Natural Calamity - "Drought" Amos 4:7-8
    Result: YE HAVE NOT RETURNED

    Third Natural Calamity - "Plague" Amos 4:9
    Aids, Cancer
    Result: YE HAVE NOT RETURNED

    Fourth Natural Calamity - "Death/War" Amos 4:10
    Cambodia, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, China, Kosivo, Serbia, Croatia, Somalia, East Timor
    Result: YE HAVE NOT RETURNED

    Fifth Natural Calamity - "Fiery Destruction" Amos 4:11
    1Result: YE HAVE NOT RETURNED

    Therefore- "PREPARE TO MEET YOUR GOD"

    Don't have to have lots of tear-jerk stories or cleverly aliterated outline. It is right there in the text. Easy to be preaching about the law, the curse of sin, judgment.

    We have a perceived need that people want grace. But have found they will not listen to grace until they see themselves as helpless, hopeless, hell-bound sinners, without a prayer or a chance.

    THEN "as many as were ordained to eternal life believed."
     
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    What I mean when "Hellfire and Brimstone" pastors get on my nerves is...

    What is the purpose of all that yelling and repetitive mumbo jumbo when all that is done by the end of the service is that we feel like we have been yelled at and we need to only wear our hair in buns?

    What is that? That doesn't build up the body of Christ.
     
  14. pinoybaptist

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    Hellfire and brimstone ? Ummmmmm. Depends.
    Depends on where you are preaching and to whom and why.
    The pastor's task is to feedthe flock of God, to preach the word, in season, out of season,(which means he must be immersed in all aspects of scripture and not just the hellfire-and-brimstone part), reprove, rebuke, exhort.
    He is not to lord it over God's heritage but is to care for the flock - primarily, and to do a shepherd's job which includes watching out for straying sheep, keeping them in line, comforting the the hurting ones.
    The Lord Jesus, the Chief Shepherd, was a hellfire and brimstone preacher to the unbelieving ones, the unelect, if you will.
    But to the believers, to those who were part of his flock during His time here on Earth ?
    He was gentle, patient, persuasive, corrective.
    Doctrinal preaching ? Yes, a lot of it.
    Practical preaching ? Absolutely.
    Hellfire and brimstone ? Naaah. not so much.
     
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    Exactly, preaching before a constituted church of
    believers must at the same time be doctrinal, instructive, corrective and edifying.
    It needs to reflect God's views and "Thus saith the Lord..." instead of what the preacher believes or thinks or opines to be what the scripture means.
    Now, there are hellfire-and-brimstone preachers who are truly Spirit-filled, and then there's the
    "learned-from-seminary-or-heard-it-from-somebody"
    variety.
    God brought me to conversion from atheism thru the first type of hellfire-and-brimstone preacher.
    When I heard him preach of sin, eternal punishment, atonement and Jesus crucified and risen, in my heart of hearts I knew that was the Jesus who is my Lord and knew I was one of His, and always was, despite what I was at the time.
    It was a "finally at home" kind of feeling. You know what I mean ?
    Like, you've been out and away from home for a long time, on a long journey, and you're tired, and what a great feeling it was to be finally, inside the warmth and security of your home, with somebody you love and loves you.
     
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    Warm Christian greetings!

    I am a lay preacher in my local church and also a street evangelist. It is important to remember that Jesus taught on both Heaven and Hell. Keep a sense of balance and mention both, but not one to the exclusion of the other.

    Kind regards

    Robert J Hutton
     
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    Hey, Robert J Hutton:
    How are you ? What is it like to do street preaching in your part of the world ? I've done that a long while back in my country.
    Share some of your experiences with us, if you will.
    God bless.
     
  18. Revelator

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    I believe that hellfire and brimstone is integral, but I also think that it has its time and place. I don't go completely off kilter on it all the time, but not a messege goes by with out me at least mentioning hell. for two reasons, one to let the born-again christians know where they should have been , and two so the lost know where they are going.

    I am not one to sugar coat and I do yell a lot but thats how the spirit works in me, I think that you should preach how the spirit leads you. I agree with the statement made earlier in anothe r post that said we need more of this stuff.
     
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    Scare people into accepting Jesus Christ what kind of doctrine is that? That's what is wrong with a lot of churches today. Now if you are speaking of Christian walk and obedience while you live in the world, I'll agree with hellfire and brimstone... The evils of pornography, drinking, gambling and all the evils that come forth from it. Those things definately need to be kept out of the church and those that are doing those things dealt with according to scripture. Just because the word salvation or saved is mentioned in the scriptures does not always mean eternal salvation... most of the time it refers to salvation this side of glory... There is a salvation in walking with the Lord in obedience and sound doctrine. Israel... Natural and Spiritual always get into trouble when they don't follow the Lord... Then and now... It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God... Brother Glen :eek:
     
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    *Harmony* is key! One sided theology is dangerous!

    Because of HIM,
    Scott
     

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