here are just a few questions

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  1. massdak

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    I didn't get the significance of most of the questions (yes, I recognize most of the names, etc.) And I'd score positive numbers on a few of them, and I'm not an Arminian. But I thought these were amusing, anyway:

    The "just" one is a pet peeve of mine. I don't know why I find it so irritating, but I do. ;)
     
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    Some of these were funnier than others - and I think the title could have been anything - not specific to Arminian or Calvinist (For example - it could have been "Are you a Closet Catholic? Answer the following to see if you are someone who needs to seriously consider joining the RCC".

    (And I am sure there are dozens of other headings)

    But I thought this one was just too good -

    What a riot!

    I especially like it when People call Hank with the idea of "father bless me for I am in church" and ask to see if their pastor or their local congregation have his blessing or his anathema.

    In christ,

    Bob
     
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    That was fun--loved it--but i admit it: I scored 17.
    Pray for me, people. 8o)

    On the serious side, who in the world are Dave
    Hunt and Ron Geisler, and what are the "Four
    Spiritual Laws"?
     
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    I believe you mean Norman Geisler. He is a very respected Christian Apologist. He's been around for a long time and has written many books. He was a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary for years but now has his own seminary. He has written a book against what he terms "Extreme Calvinsm" which is the type of 5 pt Calvinism promoted by teachers such as RC Sproul, John Piper, and James White. Geisler himself claims to be a "Moderate Calvinist".

    Jacob.
     
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    Thank you, Jacob and Yelsew. What is wrong with
    the "Four Spiritual Laws?"
     
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    I find nothing wrong with them, they simplify graphically the essence of a Holy Spirit led person as opposed to a "natural man" type of person.

    They are "laws" because they are universally true!
     
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    Wooo I got an 11
     
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    I found the above set of questions most childish and patethic. At the end was a typical modern day display of ignorance of the true nature of Biblical conversion. Arminianism is not cured by just substituting it with a set of Calvinistic tenets. This is why the vast majority of modern day professing "Calvinists" are just as ignorant of God as a just God and a Saviour as the Arminians they mock and try to proselytize over to their Calvinistic system and religion.

    Harald
     
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    What's an arminian? {ya'll don't laugh at me! I'm serious!} and would an IFB be considered arminian? I mean I did get more than seven, although I had to laugh at questions 43 and 44 especialy.
    OH well, I may not know exactly what arminians and Calvanists are, but I noticed some questions regarding John 3:16, and weither God came to saved everyone, and about losing salvation, and speaking in tounges.
    Well, you can't loose your salvation. My soul, if everythime I made a mistake I had to get saved again, I'd have to get saved at least 5 times a day if not more!
    Yeah, I do believe John 3:16 is for anyone that has lived or will live. We aren't predestined. It's mans choice. God knows who will be saved, but that dosn't mean that anyone can't get saved. It's for everyone. Salvation is free, full and forever. Everyone won't accept Christ, simply cause they don't want to accept Him, but that dosn't mean they couldn't have been saved.
    Oh well, call me ignorant if you want. I don't know what either is, all I know is that I'm IFB, KJBO, saved forever, and the Lord's child!
    ~Abby
     
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    I scored a big fat zero. :D

    It was a bit childish though.
     
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    Dave Hunt wrote "What Love Is This? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God". I am currently reading it, but it appeals mostly to emotion, not fact.

    Neal
     
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    Dr. Ron Geisler has a large, one volume theology at your local Christian bookstore; I have not read it, but did read "Predestination & Free Will" with its four atuthor presentation. He is one of the four contributors. Dr. Clark H. Pinnock also offers thoughts. He was once a Calvinist.

    James Hunt's book "What Love Is This" I do want to read; it was on order at our Christian book store. One thing he does have correct after briefly looking at one copy. He shows that Calvinistic theology comes from the ancient Roman Catholic teaching coming from the pen of St. Augustine and his mentor, Father John Calvin.

    Respectfully,

    Dr. Berrian
     
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    Calvinism is more similar to RC than is Arminian-
    ism? I definitely need that explained to me.

    And believe me, I do not ask for any reason other
    than a wish to know.
     
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    That seems quite mysterious to me, too. Bump.
     
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    Savedbygrace 1999:

    From what you said you are mostly arminian.

    Calvinists say that man is dead in sin and cannot of himself choose God; Arminians say that although man sins, he still has the ability to choose God.

    Calvinists believe that God chose the Elect before time and that He chose them not due to any action or value in the chosen, but only on HIs good pleasure; Arminians believe that God chose no one, except through fore-knowledge, but that it is dependent on who chooses Him.

    Calvinists believe that Jesus paid the price for sins, specifically and only for the sins of the Elect; Arminians say that Jesus died that all men can choose to be saved, but without their choice no one is saved, and thus He either did not pay the actual cost of sin (I do not really understand their views in this as I think itis illogical).

    Calvinists say that God calls His Elect and that when He calls them, they always respond in faith; Arminians say that God calls all men, but that the choice is left up to them.

    Calvinists believe that the Elect's standing is based on God's action only and therefore all of the elect will be kept secure; Arminians believe that since man must choose God, that they can un-choose God.

    You seem to have a weaker version of Perseverence of the Saints, perhaps expressed by Once Saved Always Saved.

    If you have more questions, feel free to ask. I hope this helps.

    Charlie
     
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    Charlie

    Here is an attempt to try and explain my viewpoint

    We do not have the ability - We have the responsibility - God gives us the ability

    God died for all -

    Everyone in the world has been issued by God a coupon for salvation - this coupon has been bought by the blood of Christ - but this coupon has an expiry date - the expiry date is death - if we dont cash our coupon before we die - then jolly ole St. Peter will wave the coupon before his scanner and say sorry its expired.

    The only way to turn in the coupon is to repent and confess - the only way to do that is wait for the instructions that God will send - The call of God and the Spirit - that will tell you how to turn in that coupon - you then have a choice - turn it in or not.

    Saints do not and cannot persevere - You will fail-sin at least once a year - more if you are less saintly. What is awesome is that we are preserved not by our actions but by Gods power - of course this does not absolve us of our responsibility to strive to be like Christ on a daily basis.
     
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    Sularis,

    Thank you for the response. Let me describe some of the problems that I see. Feel free to respond or not.

    Romans 3:9-18 paints a pretty dark picture of man's desire and ability to choose God. I see that you do believe in a drawing from God. So, if man needs God to draw him and really gives him moral clarity and spiritual understanding to the point that he can understand the two choices, why do not all choose Christ? The choice that most make (seperation from God) has no good points and God's salvation is wonderful.

    Second, if Christ really paid the cost for every sin that every man does, then how can the sinner be punished? If the price is paid at Calvary, then there is no need for Hell. Isn't this a case of cosmic Double Jeopardy?

    Thirdly, what did Christ accomplish on the cross? Did He actually save ANYONE? Or, did He just begin a program?

    Fourth, if man must make the final step in redeeming his coupon, is that not a work by which a man could boast?

     

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