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  1. Palatka51

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    The number 666 is all about the rejection of Jesus the Christ the Son of the Living God and the acceptance of a man in place of the Son of God. Now the sum (6+6+6) is 18. Now find wisdom here.

    St John 8:12-20
    12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
    13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
    14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
    15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
    16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
    17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
    18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

    19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
    20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

    All those who reject Jesus will walk in darkness. Those that take the mark of the Beast will forever be in darkness. Have we not found wisdom here that is in relation to Rev 13:18?
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Grasshopper -- Preach it!

    The number of the beast is the number of a human:
    so the beast is NOT an agency such as the
    Papacy or the US Supreme court.

    The number of the beast is the number of a human:
    so the beast is NOT a computer in Belgium
    nor the internet (dispersed artificial intelligence).

    The number of the beast is the number of a human:
    so the beast is NOT an action such as Sonday
    Worship of God.

    Beyond this wisdom, is danger:

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    The fundamentals of traditional fundamentalism:

    1. the inspiration and infallibility of scripture
    2. the deity of Christ (including His virgin birth)
    3. the substitutionary atonement of Christ's death
    4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead
    5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

    Note the first one is about the Written Word of God,
    the Holy Bible (AKA: Holy Scripture).
    Note that #2 to #5 (the last four) are about
    the Living Word of God, Messiah Jesus.
    Notice that a person (even if He is a spiritual person)
    is NOT the same as a Book (even if it is the
    best book in the world).

    To equate the Written Word of God and the Living
    Word of God is a step away from the Fundamentals
    of Christianity. To equate the Written Word of God
    and the Living Word of God is a step toward
    a NEW AGE belief.

    The next step toward the NEW AGE belief concerning
    the Holy Scripture is to use the Divine Bible
    (third person of the Holy Trinity) as a divination device
    and a fortune telling tool: i.e. using
    some Bible Code on the King James Version 1769
    Edition ONLY.

    The Bible Codes are a direct violation of the ETERNAL
    LAW OF GOD:

    Deu 18:10-12 (KJV1611 Edition):
    There shall not be found among you any one
    that maketh his sonne, or his daughter
    to passe thorow the fire,
    or that vseth diuination,
    or an obseruer of times,
    or an inchanter,
    or a witch,
    11 Or a charmer,
    or a consulter with familiar spirits,
    or a wyzard,
    or a Necromancer.
    12 For all that do these things,
    are an abomination vnto the Lord:

    (those who do the acts are under-lined,
    the evil sin/acts are bold-ed)
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    And about as bad is finding occult (hidden) meanings in
    only certain non-random numbered verses :(

    If it makes sense to study every 6+6+6=18th verse
    in the Bible.
    would it not also make sense to study every
    666th verse in the whole Bible?
    would it not also make sense to study every
    6 times 6 times 6 = 216th verse in the Bible?

    Actually it makes sense to study every verse
    in the Bible -- be sure to memorize the best
    of the Chapters or verses one finds.
    This is the proper use of the Bible, not magic.

    Magic = trying to control with Powers of the
    Universe with mere words :(
    God can create with words; humans cannot.
     
  3. Palatka51

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    St John 9:16-18
    16Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
    17They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
    18But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.

    What can I say but, wow?
     
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    Thank you Ed Edwards. :godisgood:
    I never said that all 18th verses of John's writings are of the context of Rev 13:18 and I never have denied that Rev 13:18 and the number six hundred three score and six is not of a man. I have said that we can get more wisdom by looking at the 18th verse from the writings of John and from those verses we have deternined that the number is a number of rejection.
    So far I have been accused of playing a goofy fantasy game, arriving at faulty conclusions and now Ed you accuse me of witchcraft for studying the Holy Word of God?
    Come on fellows, there are many ways to study God's Word. However I did ask for your input and I have received it with prayer.
    Thank you Ed and may my Lord and Savior bless us with wisdom.:godisgood:
     
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    St John 10:17-20
    17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
    18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
    19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
    20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

    What follows verse 18? Rejection of Jesus' teaching.
     
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    St John 11:18-27
    18Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
    19And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
    20Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
    21Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
    22But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
    23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
    24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
    25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
    26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
    27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

    The number will be a sign of choice. If one believes in Jesus the Christ, the Son of God they will reject that number and shall never die. However as we have seen in other posts that if one does not believe on Christ they will not have life and will be in darkness. I refer you to post number 21.
     
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    If we have found wisdom in Rev 13:18, can we then find wisdom in like context in St John 13:18?

    St John 13:18
    18I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
    19Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
    20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
    21When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
    Folks I'm inclined to believe that this man of Rev 13:18 will come out of the Church.
    Is there going to be an apostate church that will produce this character?
    Does this apostate church exist today?
    Please remember what 1 John 2:18 said.
    18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Just as in John's time there were those that did not believe Jesus was the Son of God nor did they believe in His resurrection. They were classified by John as antichrists. We have many that are in the circles of Christianity today that are preaching that you do not have to believe in Christ to have eternal life. This doctrine is what will produce the one that is identified in Rev 13:18.
    Is this not wisdom gained by analyzing the 18th verses of the writings of John?
     
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    The world hates Jesus and will not only reject Him but will choose one of their own to worship.

    18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
    19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    Again, rejection of Jesus, the Son of God and acceptance of one that falls way short of God, a mere man.
     
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    Now Jesus gives us His Word through this prayer to the Father, Almighty God, that though we are in the world we would be kept from the world.
    St John 17:18
    12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
    13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
    14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
    16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
    18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
    19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.


    All glory and praise to our God as there is nothing that can separate us from His love. That is why verse 15 is in blue so that I might draw you to it's context. Those that will have to choose when Rev 13:18 is in full view of fulfillment will and not take that number will have to endure great tribulation for rejecting the world's savior, the antichrist. However their rejection of that Beast will secure their souls for Christ. In fact they will have a number in their foreheads that will show that they are sealed for Christ.

    Rev 14:1
    1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.

    Rev 20:4
    4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Can we not see the wisdom in this search of the 18th verses of John's writings?
    Not only are we given wisdom as to what the number means but we see the foolishness of rejecting Christ and the wisdom in believing in the Son of God.
     
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    Just at Jesus' crucifixion the number in Rev 13:18 will not only be significant of the rejection of Christ but will be used as a form of mocking and blasphemy.
    Look at St John 19:16-22.
    16Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
    17And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
    18Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
    19And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
    20This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.
    21Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
    22Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.

    The rejection of Christ is now come to full revelation. The Jews rejection first and now with Pilate's mocking placard, the Gentile's.
     
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    I took this to mean in the book of John:
    John 1:18
    +18
    John 1:36
    +18
    John 1:54
    +18
    John 1:72
    +18
    John 2:10
    +18
    John 2:28

    Which is about salvation accepted:

    Luk 2:28-30 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):

    Then hee tooke him in his armes, and praised God, and sayd,
    29 Lord, nowe lettest thou thy seruaunt
    depart in peace, according to thy woorde,
    30 For mine eyes haue seene thy saluation,

    But now it looks like you are going to each verse bearing
    the number 18
    in each chapter. Oh, i guess you can get that meaning
    out of your statement. I didn't get it. My bad, at least
    i findally got it but two days late.

    Yes, when people mention numbers they need to
    know about cardinallity and orderanality.
     
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    Jesus, after His resurrection came to His disciples to show Himself to them lest they continue to fall away into disbelief and thus reject His life as a lie. Remember that we read in St John that Jesus prayed that none should be lost except the son of perdition, Judas.

    St John 17:11-16
    11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
    12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
    13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
    14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
    15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
    16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


    So the 11 were in danger of going into disbelief as we reference St John 20:18.

    18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
    19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
    20And when he had so said, he showed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
    21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
    22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
    23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.
    25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
    Isn't Jesus gracious? He promised to keep them and kept them He did.:godisgood:
    See the wisdom we have gained through this study?
     
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    Thank you Ed for staying with me on this. You are most gracious. May God bless us as we learn together.:thumbs:
     
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    Peter especially was slipping into disbelief and again the 18th verse will show us that Jesus will not let His believer depart the faith even though the believer's death might be a horrible one. He will not allow us to fall even unto death.
    St John 21:15-19
    15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
    16He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?
    He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    17He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    18Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
    19This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
    Isn't it great to know that if one follows Christ that we are secure in grace through faith? Those that will not take the number of the Beast can find hope in this study and dare I say it?
    Wisdom.
     
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