Heresy #15 - Everything bad comes from Satan

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  1. LadyEagle

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    The above quote from another thread says this is a heresy. Do you agree or disagree?

    (I disagree with this part of it: "A Christian not experiencing such a life is either: (1) in sin; or (2) lacking enough faith to bring about what is desired. ")

    Is there anyone here who disagrees that "Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from Satan."

    In what way is this a heresy? Scriptures, please.
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    Who is in control of all things? God or Satan.

    Pentecostal heresy, for sure.

    Job gives a tiny glimpse at the POWER OF GOD and the special permission He gives to Satan.

    Jesus gives the BEST view in John 9
    And as Jesus passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?"

    Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was in order that the works of God might be displayed in him."

    Horrendous illness (blind since birth) was NOT result of this man's sin or his parent's. It was the will of God.
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    So, Dr. Bob, don't you believe disease and sicknesss is a result of sin?
     
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    Not always. I believe Jesus addressed this issue with the blind man.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  5. LadyEagle

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    I'm referring to sin as in all mankind, as a result of the Fall, not as a result of this man's or his parent's personal sins. The State of Sin is what I'm referring to. The Condition of Sin. If it weren't for the Fall, the earth would be disease free.
     
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    LadyEagle,
    I believe everything evil came when man fell. What you mentioned as "The State of Sin" brought evil, sorrow, toil and obviously separation from God. Some poverty and sickness comes from God and I repeat *some* because of judgement.
    Thanks ----Bart
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    "Some because of judgment" - Good point, Brother Bart.
     
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    If God punishes someone now, is it not for sin?
     
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    2 Samuel 12:9 Why have you despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in His sight? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon. 10 Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised Me, and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife.' 11 Thus says the Lord: 'Behold, I will raise up adversity against you from your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. 12 For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, before the sun.' " 13 So David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." And Nathan said to David, "The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die. 14 However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die."

    15 Then Nathan departed to his house.And the Lord struck the child that Uriah's wife bore to David, and it became ill. 16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead. For they said, "Indeed, while the child was alive, we spoke to him, and he would not heed our voice. How can we tell him that the child is dead? He may do some harm!" 19 When David saw that his servants were whispering, David perceived that the child was dead. Therefore David said to his servants, "Is the child dead?" And they said, "He is dead."
     
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    1 Corinthians 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. 33 Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.
     
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    Mt 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
     
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    If every church in america burned down, would you immediately blame Satan or wonder about God's plan?
     
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    Satan is a handy exuse for our own fallen nature sometimes.
    Dr. Bob, you are right on. Job is a very good study in why things happen as they do. Notice that God didn't actually do it though, Satan did it but only by God's permission.
     
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    During the Great Tribulation, that will probably be a reality. And yes, it will be because of Satan, and God permits it to happen.
     
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    If there had not been a Satan, would there have been a fallen nature?
     
  16. Dr. Bob

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    There would have been a fallen nature because such was God's plan. Remember, it is HIS plan.

    So the "what if" is really fruitless here.

    What if there was no God? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     

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