heresy or opinion

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by agedman, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. agedman

    agedman
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    4,256
    Likes Received:
    185
    In a recent thread the word "heresy" (or some derivative) was used in proclaiming a view as wrong. Below is a list of "heresies" from: What is a Heresy.


    Infant Baptism
    Baptismal Regeneration
    Holy Sacraments
    Speaking in Tongues
    Baptism by Sprinkling
    Holy Laughter
    Miracle Anointing
    Zionism
    Prosperity Gospel
    Faith Healing
    Confessional Booth
    Divorce for Adultery
    Christian Rock Music
    Lordship Salvation
    Perseverance of the Saints
    Limited Atonement
    Celibacy
    Abstaining from Meats
    Sabbath Keeping
    Recognition of the Virgin Mary
    Assumption of Mary
    Perpetual Virginity of Mary
    Immaculate Conception of Mary
    Praying the Rosary
    Ecumenicalism
    Unity with Unbelievers
    Healing Services
    Storehouse Tithing
    Holy Miracle Water
    Financial Seeds
    Protestantism
    Calvinism
    Arminianism
    Lifestyle Evangelism
    Postribulation Rapture
    Transubstantiation
    Universal Church
    Women Pastors
    Social Gospel

    I would add any eschatology view that denies a bodily return of Christ to this earth as the angels told the apostles would happen, and any soteriology view that denies the complete atonement by the blood of Christ by the grace of God and without any human volition.

    I disagree that perseverance of the saints is heretical, but fundamentally found in the Scriptures.

    I disagree that limited atonement is heretical. The Scriptures teach (both calvinist and arminians agree) there is some limit to atonement - how limited is disagreed upon, not that atonement is not limited.

    I disagree that celibacy is heretical. Paul taught that it was a good way to live, but that not all could contain themselves. To teach celibacy isn't wrong, to not include the rest of the teaching Paul stated on the matter is wrong.

    Others that I disagree as being heresy are:
    Calvinism
    Arminianism
    Lifestyle Evangelism
    Postribulation Rapture
    Universal Church
    Social Gospel

    I see these as only opinions and systematic schemes that can be used, and to some point or another supported by Scriptures, and although I personally may not hold one or another, there are believers that do and do not see the world through my eyes.

    Is heresy merely another word for opinion?

    OR is the word a condemnation of a line of thinking worthy of burning someone at the stake?

    Which of the above do you consider opinion and perspective?

    Which of the above might you break fellowship over?

    Which of the above do you hold as doctrinally sound and yet some other believer would not hold the same opinion?

    Which of the above would you stake your life on if to be condemned to burn?

    What might you add to the list?
     
  2. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Heresy = anyone's opinion that is different from mine. :laugh:


    But seriously, I think Paul described heresy as any gospel that is a different gospel than he and the apostles taught.
     
  3. The Archangel

    The Archangel
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2003
    Messages:
    2,444
    Likes Received:
    0
    The use of the word "Heresy," which is thrown about on this board like it were rice at a wedding, is very problematic.

    Heresy, simply put, is something in which you believe, and that by believing in said thing, you demonstrate that you are no Christian at all.

    Heresy, furthermore, is something in which you believe that will deposit you in the very bowels of hell.

    To believe in something "heretical" is to forfeit any claim or right to a relationship with Christ because those things rightly counted as "heresy" are denials of the essentials of the Christian faith.

    Examples of heresy: Rejecting the divinity of Christ. Rejecting Christ's bodily resurrection.

    This word is not merely "opinion." Believing in heresy is a disqualifier--you are disqualified as a Christian and you are disqualified from Heaven.

    The Archangel
     
  4. percho

    percho
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2009
    Messages:
    3,888
    Likes Received:
    37
    Are there any heresies listed in the word of God?
     
  5. Amy.G

    Amy.G
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2006
    Messages:
    13,103
    Likes Received:
    0
    Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
     
  6. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2012
    Messages:
    17,023
    Likes Received:
    47
    It is todeny the essentials that one MUST adhere to in order to have "Biblcal Christianity'...

    Views on the Second Coming NOT heretical, as holding to pre/post/A etc

    Views on Arminian/cal not heretical, as long as grace alone/faith alone!

    I take exception that either Covenant theology/Dispy should be labeled as such!
     
  7. reformed_baptist

    reformed_baptist
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 10, 2012
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    0
    Perhaps people aught to use the more recognised catagories of;

    Heresy
    Heterdoxy
    Sub-orthodoxy
    Orthodox

    However we have to bear in mind that orthodoxy does not equate to being right, instead it is the agreed majority view within a certain group. so one man's heresy is another man's orthodoxy!
     
  8. 12strings

    12strings
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2004
    Messages:
    2,743
    Likes Received:
    0

    This is a silly list, but given the source website...not surprising.
     
  9. Michael Wrenn

    Michael Wrenn
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2000
    Messages:
    4,319
    Likes Received:
    0
    The original meaning of the word 'heresy' was simply a minority opinion. Of course when the state and church united, you could get murdered in the name of Jesus for holding a minority opinion. Then the word was given a meaning which it did not originally have.
     
  10. kyredneck

    kyredneck
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    10,548
    Likes Received:
    273
    :thumbs:

    O foolish Dispensationalists! Who hath bewitched you Gal. 3:1.

    Physical DNA Israel has become the Golden Calf of Dispensationalism.
     
    #10 kyredneck, Jul 27, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 27, 2012
  11. convicted1

    convicted1
    Expand Collapse
    Retired Staff

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2007
    Messages:
    9,011
    Likes Received:
    3
    Is it heresy on here to have an opinion? :laugh:
     
  12. MNJacob

    MNJacob
    Expand Collapse
    Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    288
    Likes Received:
    2
    Who is David J Stewart?
     
  13. kyredneck

    kyredneck
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2009
    Messages:
    10,548
    Likes Received:
    273
    Archangel, I've much respect not only for your skill and knowledge with the word, but also for the Christian demeanor that you maintain when you post. I wish you posted more often. But I also wish you would have provided some scripture here that articulates your definition of 'heresy', particularly when you make a statement such as, “something in which you believe that will deposit you in the very bowels of hell.” I don't agree with you on this.

    Maybe I'm one of those that you consider has thrown the word heresy around “like it were rice at a wedding”, but I don't assign the gravity to the word that you evidently do, i.e., heretics aren't necessarily unregenerate, and, God's redeemed can indeed be deceived. Even Hymenaeus and Alexander, who had made shipwreck of the faith, were turned over to Satan 'that they might be taught'. The man in 1 Cor 5:5 was turned over to Satan but 'his spirit was still yet to be saved.'

    “Of course, we know that the law is good if a person uses it legitimately, that is, if he understands that the law is not intended for righteous people but for lawbreakers and rebels, for ungodly people and sinners, for those who are unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers, their mothers, or other people, for those involved in sexual immorality, for homo*sexuals, for kidnappers, for liars, for false witnesses, and for whatever else goes against the healthy teaching that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.” 1 Tim 1:8-11 ISV
    http://isv.scripturetext.com/1_timothy/1.htm

    I define heresy as any dogma that goes against the healthy teaching of the gospel, of which I consider dispensationalism to be just that. It has morphed into a myriad of some very unwholesome, destructive notions that have crossed over into the political realm and has become a potent force propelling us toward [more] war. And there's much more that could be said, but I'll leave off, for now.
     
  14. Van

    Van
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2011
    Messages:
    9,515
    Likes Received:
    49
    It would be nice if the majority view determined what is heretical. But it is not. It is the view of those wielding power within a church or other organization such as an internet bulletin board.

    Christians believe Jesus is God, and therefore believe in doctrine of the Trinity, one God in three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    To say something other than the pure Gospel is not too helpful, for those holding heretical views believe their view is the gospel, i.e. Calvinism.

    So at the end of the day, it is simply claiming defense of the faith, while censoring views those in power do not accept as biblical.

    If a person believes you can forfeit salvation, then the once saved, always saved doctrine is heretical. However if you asked Baptists, the majority would say once saved, always saved is biblical, making the Arminian view heretical.

    So when you see the word applied to views being contested within a body, think power-play not a rebuke in love. Rather we should eschew the power-play and explain from scripture why the view does not fit.
     
  15. DHK

    DHK
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2000
    Messages:
    37,982
    Likes Received:
    134
    There are two extremes here. And both can fall into the arena of false doctrine. I encounter the one quite a bit in the Other Denom. Forum quite a bit, and I have seen the other posted here. Both are false.

    One says: Calvinism is the gospel. That is false. Call it heresy if you want, but in the least it is false doctrine. Quote Spurgeon if you like. He too was a man. It is false doctrine. Calvinism is not and never was the gospel. Those who claim that stand on sinking sand.

    The other says: One can lose their salvation. That also is false. We are eternally secure in Christ. These are two opposing points of view. Both are false. Heresy? Well at least false teaching.
     
  16. freeatlast

    freeatlast
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2004
    Messages:
    10,295
    Likes Received:
    0
    I ould remove;
    Speaking in tongues as it is clearly in the bible

    Some of that is Utter nonsense. :rolleyes:
     
  17. IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)

    IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2012
    Messages:
    106
    Likes Received:
    0
    When I consider something heretical, it is something that is so twisted that I'd rather die than believe it. If it drawing away from the message of the gospel, seeking to annull the redeeming power of my Savior's blood, sending sinners blindly in the wrong direction toward the flames of hell, or attacking God's Word, then I would lable it heresy. I would contend with some of the items on the list, because they seem more as an item of opinion or personal conviction rather than heretical.
     
    #17 IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN), Jul 27, 2012
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 27, 2012
  18. saturneptune

    saturneptune
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    13,977
    Likes Received:
    0
    The term heresy is used too loosely. It is on the same level as saying someone is lost. The problem is too many get opinion and sound doctrine mixed up. This can be applied to any difference of opinion on what the Bible says. For example, there is no doubt in my mind that the Creation was a seven day event. I consider that my opinion, and am not going to call someone a heretic that believes it took place apart from time, or over eons of time, as long as the Lord was the Creator. Now, if someone excludes the Lord from the process, that to me is heresey.

    The areas of Calvinism, KJVO, as of late covenant vs dispensationalism, Landmarkism, etc, I think we all (including me) should be much more careful about how we use that term. Heresey should be reserved for a position that is obviously at odds with a fundemental doctrine from the Bible.
     
  19. saturneptune

    saturneptune
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    13,977
    Likes Received:
    0
    Did you hear about the cow who could not give milk? It was an utter failure.
     
  20. saturneptune

    saturneptune
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2006
    Messages:
    13,977
    Likes Received:
    0
    The only belief of yours that I have ever questioned is your belief that at the Transfiguration, the light from Elijah, Moses and Christ came from EverReady batteries.
     

Share This Page

Loading...