Hidden Manna

Hi Again Me2,

Religion Missed The Boat Huh.....That was a breath of fresh air..

Yes, all are welcome and my hope is that some, even just one person will get a sweet fragrant, savor of God……the Spirit blowing fresh Life into stale hearts…..hearts that so want to know Him.

Ive Always Believed That Only Dad Has The RIGHT to Tell Me What To Do.

It took me quite a while to shed the bonds and dogma collar of mainstream religious teachings. But the struggle was worth it – I know that I know that I know now that all things are summed up in Him and that He is Lord of All.

As to your other questions, the answers are found, imo, through Jesus Christ giving a revelation to the seeker…..sometimes years in the making.

But here goes.

How Do We Arrive At The Conclusion...that After Death, People who doesnt Know About Jesus...personally...

Romans 5 - NIV

Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Q: How Are They To Arrive At The Conclusion That He Is Lord?
(Every Knee Bow Every Tongue Confess)

It says in the Scriptures that no one can say, "Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor. 12:3) The above Scriptures attest to the plain statement found in 1 Cor. 15:22 "In Adam, all died, in Christ SHALL all be made alive." The same all who died in Adam (which is all of us) SHALL be made alive in Christ.

Q: Who Are The Ambassadors of Christs...and What Is The Totality of Their Responsibility
as Far As You Can Comprehend This?

We are – those who know the good news of Jesus.

Lam. 3 (NIV)
For men are not cast off by the Lord forever. Though He brings grief, He will show compassion, so great is His unfailing love. For He does not willingly bring affliction or grief to the children of men.

Q: or If I Can Put It Another Way...what Is The Totality Of The Ministry of Reconciliation?
2Cor. 5:19 (NIV)

…that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ and not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Anyone Is Welcomed To Join In

Diane says Me2. As iron sharpens iron, we often learn or receive a deeper understanding of scripture by these dicussions.

In Him, Di

 

Kim,

Love you too, sis.

D

 

Hi Folks,

Here’s a listing of “All” scriptures. It’s 99% scripture with some commentary and I found it in an online bible study. It’s impressive – to me. It is in table format so I don't know how it will post. My apologies if it gets messed up. You can email me if you want a better copy.

I haven’t yet found a listing of all the eternal damnation scriptures. That’s next – maybe?

Gen 12:3 And in you [Abraham] all the families of the earth will be blessed. [This is the original and foundational promise made by God, revealing His redemptive purpose and plan for all of mankind. (Note in the following passages the connection between "all the families", "all the nations", "all the peoples", "all the proud of the earth", "all the kingdoms", "all the earth", etc.) Every promise, covenant, and provision given by God, including the law, the prophets, the priesthood, the church, and above all the Messiah (ie, "Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham," - Mt 1:1), point to and are the direct fulfillment of this one original promise given to Abraham. Thus Paul refers to him as "...the father of us all." - Rom 4:16]

Gen 22:18 And in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice. [This promise is repeated over and over throughout scripture.]

Num 14:20 So the Lord said [speaking to Moses, who is a foretype of Christ as our intercessor], "I have pardoned them according to your word; but indeed, as I live, all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord."

II Sam14:14 For we shall surely die and are like water spilled on the ground which cannot be gathered up again. Yet God does not take away life, but plans ways so that the banished one may not be cast out from him.

I Kings 8:43 Hear Thou in heaven Thy dwelling place, and do according to all for which the foreigner calls to Thee, in order that all the peoples of the earth may know Thy name, to fear Thee, as do Thy people Israel, and that they may know that this house which I [Solomon] have built is called by Thy name.

I Kings 8:60 So that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no one else.

II Kings19:19 That all the kingdoms of the earth may know that Thou alone, O Lord, art God.

I Chron 16:34 O give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; For His mercy (lovingkindness, NAS) endureth forever.

II Chron 20;21 Give thanks to the Lord, for His mercy endureth forever. [This theme is repeated over and over throughout scripture.]

Ps 9:7-8 But the Lord abides forever; He has established His throne for judgment, and He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute (minister, KJ) judgment for [not against] the peoples with equity.

Ps 22:27-30 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will worship before Thee. For the kingdom is the Lord's, and He rules over the nations. All the proud [literally, "fat ones"] of the earth will eat and worship, even he who cannot keep his soul alive. Posterity will serve Him.

Ps 30:5 For His anger is but for a moment, His favor is for a lifetime; Weeping may last for the night, but a shout of joy comes in the morning.

Ps 33:8 Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

Ps 46:10 Cease striving [be still] and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations; I will be exalted in the earth.

Ps 65:2,5 To Thee all men [lit. all flesh] come...Thou who art the trust of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest sea.

Ps 66:1,4 Shout joyfully to God, all the earth...All the earth will worship Thee, and will sing praises to Thee; they will sing praises to Thy name.

Ps 67:1-7 God be gracious to us and bless us, and cause His face to shine upon us, that Thy way may be known on the earth, Thy salvation among all nations...Let all the peoples praise Thee. Let the nations be glad...for Thou wilt judge the peoples with uprightness, and guide the nations on the earth...that all the ends of the earth may fear Him.

Ps 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, Thou hast led captive [capture in order to set free] Thy captives; Thou hast given gifts among men, even among the rebellious also, that the Lord God may dwell there.

Ps 69:34 Let heaven and earth praise Him, the seas and everything that moves in them.

Ps 72:8-19 May He also rule from sea to sea, and from the river to the ends of the earth...and let all kings bow down before Him, all nations serve Him...Let all nations call Him blessed...And may the whole earth be filled with His glory. Amen and Amen.

Ps 86:9 All nations whom Thou hast made shall come and worship before Thee, O Lord; And they shall glorify Thy name.

Ps 96:1-12 Sing to the Lord, all the earth...His wonderful deeds among all the peoples...Tremble before Him, all the earth...Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy before the Lord, for He is coming...

Ps 98:3,4 All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God. Shout joyfully to the Lord, all the earth; break forth and sing for joy and sing praises.

Ps 145:9-10 The Lord is good to all, and His mercies are over all His works. All Thy works shall give thanks to Thee, O Lord, and Thy godly ones shall bless Thee.

Ps 145:14-16 The Lord sustains all who fall, and raises up all who are bowed down. The eyes of all look to Thee, and Thou dost give them their food in due time. Thou dost open Thy hand, and dost satisfy the desire of every living thing.

Ps 145:21 And all flesh will bless His holy name forever and ever.

Ps 150:6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Praise the Lord!

Is 19:21 Thus the Lord will make Himself known to Egypt and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day. They will even worship with sacrifice and offering, and will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.

Is 19:22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, striking but healing; so they will return to the Lord, and He will respond to them and will heal them.

Is 25:6-8 And the Lord of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain [Mount Zion]...and on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples, even the veil which is stretched over all nations. He will swallow up death for all time, and the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces.

Is 26:9 For when the earth experiences Thy judgments, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.

Is 40:5 Then the glory of the Lord will be revealed, and all flesh will see it together; for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

Is 45:22-23 Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself, the word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness and will not turn back, that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Is 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.

Is 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory.

Is 66:23 All mankind will come to bow down before Me, says the Lord.

Lam 3:31-32 For the Lord will not reject forever, for if He causes grief, then He will have compassion according to His abundant lovingkindness.

Daniel 7:27 Then the sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.

Micah 4:6-7 "In that day," declares the Lord, "I will assemble the lame, and gather the outcasts, even those whom I have afflicted. I will make the lame a remnant, and the outcasts a strong nation, and the Lord will reign over them in Mount Zion from now on and forever.

Micah 7:18-19 Who is a God like Thee, who pardons iniquity and passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession? He does not retain His anger forever, because He delights in unchanging love. He will again have compassion on us; He will tread our iniquities underfoot. Yes, Thou wilt cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.

Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

Zeph 2:11 The Lord will be terrifying to them, for He will starve all the gods of the earth; and all the coastlands of the nations will bow down to Him, every one from his own place.

Zeph 3:8-9 Indeed, My decision is to gather nations, to assemble kingdoms, to pour out on them My indignation, all My burning anger; for all the earth will be devoured by the fire of My zeal. For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him shoulder to shoulder.

Hag 2:6-9 For thus says the Lord of hosts, "Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land. And I will shake all the nations; and they will come [or, the Desire of all nations will come] with the wealth of the nations; and I will fill this house with glory," says the Lord of hosts. "The silver is Mine, and the gold is Mine," declares the Lord of hosts. "The latter glory of this house will be greater than the former," says the Lord of hosts, "and in this place I shall give peace," declares the Lord of hosts.

Zech 2:10-11 Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I am coming and I will dwell in your midst, declares the Lord. And many nations will join themselves to the Lord in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you.

Zech 9:10 And He will speak peace to the nations; and His dominion will be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth.

Mal 1:11 For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations," says the Lord of hosts.

Mal 2:10 Do we not all have one father? Has not one God created us?
Mt 18:12,14 What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? Thus it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.

Lk 2:10 And the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all the people."

Lk 15:4-7 What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture, and go after the one which is lost, until he finds it? And when [not if] he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing... I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Lk 23:34 Jesus said, "Father forgive them; they know not what they do." [This incredible request by Jesus, together with His suffering and death on the cross for the sins of the world, becomes the ultimate picture and the eternal symbol of the heart and intention of God toward lost humanity. Furthermore, this declaration of God's ultimate redemptive purposes was made, eternally speaking, from the beginning of time, by "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world"! (Rev 13:8)]

Jn 1:29 The next day he [John the Baptist] saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!" ["the sin" is in the singular, indicating the complete removal of the "sin principle", or sin itself with all of its consequences, not just the individual acts of sin.]

Jn 3:17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through Him.

Jn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself. [This is as clear a statement on the subject as any in scripture, a promise made by Christ Himself!]

Acts 3;20-21 And that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, whom heaven must receive until the times of the restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.

Rom 5:18-20 So then as through one transgression [Adam's] there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness [Christ's] there resulted justification of life to all men. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous. And the Law came in that the transgression might increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more!

Rom 8:19-21 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it in hope, that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

Rom 11:15 For if their rejection [the Jew's rejection of Christ] be the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

Rom 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, lest you be wise in your own estimation, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in; and thus all Israel will be saved.

Rom 11:32,33 For God has shut up all in disobedience that He might show mercy to all. Oh the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

Rom 11;36 For from Him [Christ] and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.

Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and stand he will, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:11 For as it is written, "As I live", says the Lord, "every knee shall bow to me [repentance], and every tongue shall give praise to God". [worship]

I Cor 3:15 If any man's work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; but he himself shall be saved, yet so as through fire.

I Cor 5:4,5 In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. [See I Peter 4:6!]

I Cor 13:8 Love never fails. ["Love never fails!" God is love. His love can not fail! To lose even one would mean that love failed to find and save that one. To lose millions for eternity, as some believe, would mean that love failed miserably and completely! However, His plan, His purpose, His desire, and His nature has always been and always will be love for His creation!]

I Cor 15:22,28 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive. But each in his own order... "And when all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, that God may be all in all."

I Cor 15:54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory." ["The last enemy to be destroyed is death" (I Cor 15:26)...This refers to all death, both physical death and spiritual death. Then the only thing that shall remain is...Life!]

II Cor 5:14,15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, that they should no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

II Cor 5:18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ, and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was [and is] in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the nations by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "All the nations shall be blessed in you."

Eph 1:9,10 He make known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him with a view to an administration suitable to the fulness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things upon the earth.

Eph 1:22,23 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fulness of Him who fills all in all.

Eph 3:8-11 To me [Paul]...this grace was given...to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things; in order that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 4:5,6 There is...one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.

Eph 4:10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.

Phil 2:9-11 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ["No one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit." I Cor 12:3]

Phil 3;21 ...who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.

Col 1:19-22 For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fulness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven. And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach.

Col 3:11 Christ is all, and in all. [All creation is birthed in Christ; all creation remains in Christ; but not all of creation has been awakened to Christ ("Awake, sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give thee light." Eph 5:14)]

I Tim 1:13 Even though I [Paul] was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor, yet I was shown mercy, because I acted ignorantly in unbelief. [If the prerequisite for mercy is ignorance and unbelief, then who will fail to qualify?]

I Tim 1:15 Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I [Paul] am foremost. [Again, if Paul is the foremost sinner, then hasn't God's plan of redemption been accomplished to the foremost?]

I Tim 2:5,6 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to be borne at the proper time.

I Tim 4:10 It is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.

Heb 1:2 In these last days He has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.

Heb 2:8 For in subjecting all things to him [ie., man], He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him...But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for every one.

Heb 9:26 But now once at the consummation He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

I Pet 2:12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may on account of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.

I Pet 3:18-20 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah...

I Pet 4:6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that even though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. (see I Cor 5:5)

II Pet 3:8,9 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing [literally "not purposing", from the Greek: boulema, "predetermined purpose"] that any should perish but for all to come to repentance. [His promise is still the original promise given to Abraham, that ..."in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."]

I John 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation [ie., satisfaction or appeasement] for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

I John 4:14 And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

Rev 5:13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."

Rev 15:3,4 And they sang the song of Moses... and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are Thy works, O Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are Thy ways, Thou King of the Nations. Who will not fear, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? For Thou alone art holy; For all the nations will come and worship before Thee, for Thy righteous acts have been revealed."

Praise the Lord!

[ July 18, 2002, 12:06 AM: Message edited by: GH ]

 

Hey Kimbo,

I knew I missed one of your posts. Musta been when I was posting all those verses above. LOL

I sneak to the computer whenever I get a chance and manage to put in my 2 cents. But I don't have little ones at home anymore to care for. Though I remember well those days and when I wondered if I would ever have time for myself.

I was surprised that there were no other responses to all those beautiful words about God's redeeming love. My spirit was doing back flips when I was getting that post ready - just praising Him for His goodness.

BTW, the party went great and a good time was had by all.

love, the grasshopper

 

Do you want to see a list like that of the "eternal damnation" references?

Sure, why not.

Diane

 

Dear Don,

Thanks for that listing. It helped me in my study of this topic. I have looked at this closely in the past and I still come to the same conclusion, though I did once believe as you do.

In Him, Diane

As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?

As "love thinketh no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)

As "love worketh no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)

As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)

If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?
Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?

As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)

Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?

Is God a changeable being? (James 1:17)

If God loves His enemies now, will he not always love them? For God so loved the world.....

If all men justly deserve endless punishment, will not those who are saved, be saved unjustly?

Does His love endure forever?

“The only Hebrew word translated "hell" in what is commonly called the Old Testament, is the word "Sheol." "Sheol" occurs 65 times. It is translated "hell" 31 times, "grave" 31 times, and "pit" 3 times in the King James Bible. It is obvious that if "Sheol" means "hell," it should not be translated "grave." "Sheol" means the same as the Greek noun "Hades."

"Hades" is derived from the Greek verb "horao." "Horao" means "I am seeing." The Greeks then prefixed the word with "a" (alpha) which negates "to see" thus coining the noun "Hades" meaning "unseen."

Therefore, "Sheol" and "Hades" mean "unseen." These two words do not describe what the English theological word "hell" means to convey. "Hades" occurs 11 times in the King's Greek Text (often misnamed "Textus Receptus"). When we study "Hades," let us remember that according to the KJV, Jesus was in "Hell." (see Acts 2:27, 31) Obviously Jesus' soul was not in "hell-fire." (An Analytical Study of Words Louis Abbott)

Another Greek word "Gehenna" occurs 12 times in the New Testament; 11 times in the Gospels and one time in the Epistle of James. Jesus used "Gehenna" about 7 times. Some of the occurrences of "Gehenna" are in parallel passages, that is, they refer to the same event. "Gehenna" is the Greek form of the Hebrew "ge-hinnom." It literally means "valley of Hinnom" Sometimes it is referred to as the "valley of the sons of Hinnom." In the Old Testament "Tophet(h)" also refers to this place. (See Young's Concordance under Hinnom) "Gehenna" is a valley that lays on the west and southwest of Jerusalem. In the valley, Israel offered up its children as a burnt offering to a god who came to be known as Moloch. (An Analytical Study of Words Louis Abbott)

The evangel, or gospel, contained GOOD NEWS, for that is the meaning of the Greek word euaggelion, good news "which shall be to ALL people" (Luke 2:10). There is little "good news" in condemning the majority of humanity to eternal damnation, or punishment and saving just a few. It is noticeable that those who are so eager to condemn others to "hell" eternally do not include themselves, their families, or their friends in such a fate. Most, however, object to the idea that God loves ALL of mankind. Instead, they believe God loves only those whom He calls, but not the sinners.” (An Analytical Study of Words Louis Abbott)

 

Dear Don,

I guess I can only share what I see to the best of my ability. In my heart I know that I’m trying to give an answer to you, one that is filled with hope in Christ’s all-sufficient work on the cross. It was there that He spoke, “It is finished.”

Day of Atonement/Propitiation/Mercy Seat

The word "propitiation" is rendered in the Old covenant as "Mercy Seat". The Mercy Seat was the place where once a year on the Day of Atonement, the High Priest sprinkled the blood of the sacrificial lamb as a "covering" for the sins of the people Israel. NOTE!!! If you were a member of the people of Israel, YOU DID NOT NEED to do anything for your sins to be covered. God accepted the work of the High Priest and the blood on your behalf....(this one’s for you Me2 - if indeed, the pomegranates and the bells were ringing on the hems of the High Priest.) The verse that declares that the Christ "has appeared TO DO AWAY WITH SIN", is indeed the appearance of the HIGH PRIEST, JESUS CHRIST, SPRINKLING HIS BLOOD FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD!

Do you see any correlation between the OT High Priest and our Savior’s one sacrifice and ONLY sacrifice for ALL.

The Scripture states that the Eternal One "IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH" (2 Pet. 3:9) I am inclined to stand with His will being the only WILL in the Universe, all other wills are insignificant in comparison, and considerably lower on the scale. What He WILLS, He accomplishes. Nothing will stand in the way of that WILL of all wills, NOTHING!...Not death, not some puny man, and certainly not HELL, destined to be swallowed up in the Lake of Fire with its companion, death.

Let these words swirl within your spirit for a couple of hours, days, weeks, months, years.....

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will.." (OH THAT WILL AGAIN)

"....And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--THE PURPOSE WHICH HE HAS CHERISHED IN HIS OWN MIND OF RESTORING THE WHOLE CREATION TO FIND ITS ONE HEAD IN CHRIST; yes, things in heaven and things in earth, to find their one Head in Him..."

Eph.1:7-10
The glorious words of that which the Father cherishes, is followed in the next few words, by again, that which constitutes His WILL, the WILL of all wills.

"....in Him, too, we have been made heirs, having been chosen beforehand IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTENTION OF HIM WHOSE MIGHT CARRIES OUT IN EVERYTHING THE DESIGN OF HIS OWN WILL,...

Just a few hard facts regarding the restitution of all things as spoken of by the prophets, the Christ, the Scriptures.

* "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD" declared by the Apostle John and amplified by the Christ Himself when he said...

* "If I am lifted up, I will draw ALL MEN to Myself." John 12:31,32 and followed by the theme of the Apostle Paul articulated in the following....

* Jesus Christ "gave Himself as a ranson for ALL." 1 Tim. 2:5,6

* Jesus Christ "is the Saviour of ALL MEN." 1 Tim. 4:10 & 2 Tim.2:5,6 to which the Letter of the Hebrews adds this weight of testimony....

* The Christ "tasted death for the sake of EVERYONE." Heb. 2:9 and again the Apostle John affirms in 1 John 4:14....

"The Father sent His Son to be the Saviour of the WORLD."

I seem to be “stuck” on lists. It’s my main task at my job – to keep and maintain the lists. LOL Gee, Lord, you really do know what you’re doing.

Don, may His peace rest deeply in your heart,

Di (Miss List)

 

Hello Don,

Not trying to get into a "scripture battle"

LOL. I find it unavoidable, brother. Until I learn otherwise, I guess I’ll just suit up in my armor. Uh, make that His armor.

There are people who know the love of God, but most do not. They walk in fear. Have you ever heard someone say something like, "I'll see you in hell" or I'm probably going to hell anyway." They don't know that God loves them. (For arguments sake, lets call them the unsaved.) They think they have to do something to get His love and they also know that they just can't do the things they want to do to get His love (sounds like Paul in Romans 7. Therefore, there is now NO CONDEMNATION for those who are in Christ Jesus. All are in Christ Jesus because of His finished work on the cross. One man’s sin – all sinned. One man’s single act of righteousness – all acquitted, they’re all are in Christ). They live defeated lives never quite sure of their future fate. I'm not speaking about external things, but our inner selves.

The writer of Hebrews and John are both speaking to believers - those who know that God is love. Let us at least agree that mostly it is only believers or those who are seeking to understand who read scripture.

The scriptures that you posted are for believers. To encourage them as they share the gospel the GOOD NEWS, the glorious GOOD NEWS (as Paul called it).

1 John 4:15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. We are talking about a relationship here. We who KNOW Him, we who are aware of His love.

Heb. 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the HEAVENLY CALLING, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. Again, the writer of Hebrews is talking to believers. We can’t save anyone – only Jesus can.

These verses do not disprove the universal reconciliation of all people.

Heb. 7:25 Jesus is able to save to the uttermost. How far is "uttermost?"

It is wonderful!

Diane