His Elect !

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    Matt 24:31

    31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Does God have a elect people ? There is one scripture that says God's own elect. Lk 18:7

    7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

    Is the fact that God has an election a theory of a man name calvin, or is it a scriptural truth ? I believe those who in unbelief and disdain, that shrug off election and other similar truth's of scripture as that of being the mere opinion of a man, will have much to answer for in the day of Judgment, which is not far away.

    I will by God's Grace provide scriptural proof that election is the word of God, in that God, before the world began, made a distinction, a election among His creature man, choosing who would be objects of His special and peculiar Love and Favor. To begin lets look at a few verses of scripture.

    Deut 7:6; Ps 135:4; Isa 41:8-9

    Deut 7:6

    6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

    What is truly amazing, is that most adversaries of the blessed Truth of election, have no problem receiving this Truth here in Deut, however they accept it as being applied to a carnal, natural people, Natural Israel, ethnic jews, but they reject the ideal of it applying to a Spiritual People, of all different ethnicities, having been Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4

    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    I have news for you, the Chosen in Deut 7:6 are the same exact Chosen in Eph 1:4.

    The Love God Loved them with in Deut 7:7

    7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

    This is the same Love spoken of in Eph 1:4

    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    God does not have different Love, its always grounded in His elective purpose in Christ Jesus per Rom 8:39

    39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Now what makes us believe that this Love in Rom 8:39 is any different from the Love of God spoken of in Deut 7:7 ?

    There is no difference, its the same Love, for the same People, just that in Rom the Love is found out to be of a wider dimension than first revealed in Deut 7:6-7. For God so loved the World in that same manner Nicodemus. Jn 3:16. Thats Jesus point in Jn 3:16, that God had a Chosen, special, peculiar, people unto Himself, above all other People upon the Face of the earth.

    James describe them here Acts 15:

    13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:

    14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

    This is part of the same People God spoke to in Deut 7:6-7, but it was not known then, but they too are of the Seed of Abraham Gen 17:5

    5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    The Seed of Abraham, no matter what race or geographical location, are the Chosen or Elect of God.
     
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    >The Seed of Abraham, no matter what race or geographical location, are the Chosen or Elect of God.

    Anyone with any Jewish blood is "grandfathered" into Heaven! I personally hope so. <G>
     
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    Not all Israel is Israel. True Israel are God's elect.
     
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    Oh, well. Life would have been simpler if God had posted our grades.
     
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    What do you understand is meant by that phrase 'seed of Abraham'?
     
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    The Abrahamic covenant has nothing to do with the Jewish race....It is covenantal promise to all who will believe in Him; a kingdom promise.

    Cheers,

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    Paul would disagree with you (Romans 11)
     
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    Thats right jim. The Abrahamic Covenant embraces all Nations of the Earth Gen 12:

    3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    Paul reiterates this very scripture as the Gospel being preached to Abraham Gal 3:

    8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

    This is connected with what God told Abraham also in Gen 17:5

    5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    In fact, God declared Him the Father of many Nations and name him Abraham before He became the Father of his Physical descendants of the nation israel.
     
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    There is absolutely no question, the meaning of Election is that God Almighty has made a clear Choice, for the very word signifies a selection and appointment. God has exercised His own Sovereign prerogative and picked out from among His creatures of mankind, those whom He purposed to save by His Grace. Ps 135:4

    4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.

    Notice unto Himself ! Now compare that statement with this one Titus 2:14

    Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    Same People are they not ? Remember Paul addressed this epistle as unto the Faith of God's Elect Titus 1:2

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect [Chosen], and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    Now it should be understood, there is no election or selection or choice, without a deliberate singling out, and no singling out without passing by or rejection of the rest as per Rom 11:7

    7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

    The rest ! The word rest is the greek word loipos:

    with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number

    The rest here means those jews who are not of a specific class or number, which would be the Election of Grace, God's Chosen People. You see, just being an ethnic jew born in the Nation of Israel, did not make one Chosen of God, one of His elect.
     
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    "Elect" is the null case. Those who would rather be in Hell with their friends can opt put.

    Anyway, Islam worships the Jewish God.
     
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    Actually, Islam worships satan...

    they call 'god" by name Allah, but since they deny Jesus as Being the Christ/Son of God...

    Revelation to Muhhammed from Satan, satanic world religion...

    ONLY 2 religions on earth sourced by true God...

    Judaism, have right God, deny His messiah
    Christianity has True God and His Son jesus Christ
     
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    Islam worships allah, the moon god, a made up deity...they do NOT worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
     
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    Their prophet received false revelations from satan....

    2 world wide religions today...

    One of Jesus 'true Christianity"
    One of the Devil Islam
     
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    Lets look at this principle of Divine Election within the writings of the NT. Matt 24:22,24, and 31

    22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

    24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    And no, these scriptures do not pertain to all earthly jews, but people of every tribe and tongue.

    Lk 18:7

    7And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

    Rom 8:33

    33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    Rom 9:11

    11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

    Paul preached the purpose of God according to election in His Gospel.

    2 Tim 2:10

    10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    This points to Eternal Salvation in Christ is for the elect's sake ! Christ must have died only for the elect !
     
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    For those who believe the term "elect" and "election" and "chosen" are terms reserved only for Israel or the Jews as an ethnic class or nation, they need to honestly evaluate the term used in letters written to Gentile congregations and in the context of redemption that is inclusive of "us" both Jews and Gentiles (Rom. 8:28-32; 9:24; 1 Thes. 1:4-5; 2 Thes. 2:13-14).

    1. Rom. 8:28-32 - those identified in Romans 8:29-30 as "them also" are defined as God's "elect" in verse 32 and all those for whom Christ died and justified.

    2. Romans 9:24 demands that "PREPARED" vessels of mercy in verses 22-23 are gentiles as well as Jews.

    3. Ephesians 1:4 and "us" is inclusive of gentiles and Jews as "chosen" before the world began in order that they might be holy.

    4. 1 Thessalonians 1:4 those addressed by Paul as "brethren" in order that they might know their own "election" are those unto whom the gospel came in power and not merely in word alone consisting of Gentiles as well as Jewish "brethren."

    5. 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 those identified as "brethren" and "beloved" at the congregation at Thessalonica are "chosen" to salvation "from the foundation of the world through sanctification by the Spirit and belief of the truth - Gentiles and Jewish brethren.

    In each case not only Gentiles are included in the terms "elect" and "chosen" and "election" but they are always in connection with gospel salvation.
     
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    Then what God do Jews pray to?

    Arab Christians pray to Allah. Allah is the Arabic name for God.
     
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    The term for "God" varies from language to language. It is not the term but the application of that term whether it is applied to the God revealed in the Scriptures. Muslims can use the same term but apply it to something different than what the Scriptures reveal to be the one and true God.

    Muslims and Jews apply all their terms for "god" to something other than the God revealed in Scriptures.
     
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    Alah pre-dates Islam, so they "stole" the term to use on their god.

    In addition many arabic believers use Farsi and Urdu in reference to God.
     
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    The Angels serve as an Example of Divine Election !



    Paul writes of the Elect Angels 1 Tim 5:21

    21I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.

    If there are elect Angels, this presupposes there were non elect ones as well. It appears with these creatures as well God made a Sovereign Choice of them who would be vessels of Honor and those who would be vessels of dishonor. The elect Angels who maintained there integrity were made vessels of Honor to serve His Holy Purposes, but the non elect angels He made to rebel with their leader and apostatize to also serve His Purpose. Rev 12:4

    4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

    In regards to these apostate creatures we read 2 Pet 2:4

    4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    But these were different from those of the Elect Angels, the Election of Grace among them, for because of their Election they were confirmed in their Holiness. Their election was before their Holiness, hence securing it, just as some men are by election, Chosen unto Holiness Eph 1:4

    4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    And note, the none elect angels that rebelled, God had no mercy on them. This is vital because many religionists appeal to God as being too merciful and too loving to punish sinners everlastingly, but this account refutes that heresy, for are not angels His creatures ? Was God not still Love, even though He obviously did not Love these rebellious creatures to be merciful unto them for their sin ? The Chosen among Men partake of His Great Love and Mercy in spite of their Sin Eph 2:4-5

    4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    But, God chose not to show this rich mercy and great Love to the sinning angels. Could He if He so willed ? Yes He could have, but He chose not to. Was He still a God of Love as Per 1 John 4:8

    He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

    But that fact did not obligate God to Love and be merciful to those angels, as well as it does not obligate God to be Love and be merciful to non elect men and women who have sinned also. So it is, we have an biblical example of Election with the Angels, and so it is with men.
     
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    Things to Know about the Elect, the Chosen of God !



    Things to know about all those God hath Chosen to Salvation !

    2 Thess 2:13

    13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    That they were Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4 ! Thats why Paul says they were bound to give Thanks to God for them. Not their freewill choice or decision as the antichrist followers would have us believe.

    That they are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ because they are Elect 1 Pet 1:2,18,19

    2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

    18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Lets look at the word redeemed here. It is the greek word lutroo and means:

    to release on receipt of ransom
    to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
    to liberate
    to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
    to redeem
    to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

    Because the ransom price has been paid, the blood of Christ, they must be delivered from evil of every kind. One of the Evils they all are delivered from is unbelief. Yes Unbelief is a evil Heb 3:12

    Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

    If one Christ died for, gave His life a ransom for, never becomes a believer or dies in unbelief, then that means Christ blood was defective.

    That word unbelief is also used for paul here 1 Tim 1:13

    13Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

    But because Christ gave Himself for Paul , God delivered Him from unbelief .

    So those Chosen before the world began are in time redeemed from evil or delivered from evil, especially that of unbelief, thats the power of the ransom blood of Christ.
     
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