I posted this question in the other denoms section, but didn't get any responses, so I would like to post it here. This subject gets so little response that it has been very hard to have a discussion, so after this question, I'm going to move on and stop bothering you guys. The question is: Here is the "Historic Pre-mil" view: Historic Pre-mil The earliest view held by early church fathers, Lactantius (AD 240-320), Irenaeus (AD 130-200), Justin Martyr (AD 100-165), and probably Papias (AD 60-130), a disciple of the apostle John. Events in order: Church age tribulation (the church remains during this) second coming of Christ millennium eternity Since Irenaeus, Justin Martyr and Papias were disciples of the apostle John, they surely learned from him the correct end times view. Why after 500 years did the church suddenly say that view was wrong? Why after 1800 years did yet another view, "Dispensational Pre-mil" (pre-trib rapture) take over the church? Is it more likely that the disciples of John got it wrong or that modern day theologians got it wrong?