'Holiday" White House Cards - not Christmas

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  1. LadyEagle

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    As O'Reilly puts it, "Christmas IS a National Holiday."

    I'm with Mr. Farah & Mr. Dennis Hastert on this issue.
     
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    Holiday Spruce?

    But how do holiday spruces with tinsel and blinky lights fit into the birth of Christ? I know there were cedars, palms and olive trees, but spruces? I just don't see that there'd have been a decorated tree in the inn's stable. It doesn't even seem like a good analogy since Jesus did die and evergreens sort of don't.

    When did that tradition start? I know that the English and Germans do this, but do all Christians throughout the world?

    I'm not against Christmas trees, mind you, I intend to get one this year and decorate it, but I don't understand the religious significance.
     
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    The tree comes from a pagan ledgend about nemrod and a tree that sprung up after he died or something like that. We got the trees, easter eggs, and halos, all form the same place- paganism. When Constintine gave his great edict and made his state funded church, alot of pagans flooded in and brought their traditions with them.
     
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    Bush never claimed to be an evangelical Christian. This is an absolute zero of a story.

    I could care less what holiday greeting Bush sends out. I care a lot more about him ignoring the anti-American, Anti-war crowd and winning the war in Iraq, and then getting Alito confirmed to the court. I, personally, did not elect him to fight the war for Christmas or to be an evangelical Christian. I voted for him to win the war in Iraq and appoint pro-life conservatives to the Supreme Court. He is doing both of those things. Personally, I am really happy so far with his performance. As long as he continues to ignore those on the looney right and left, I will continue to be happy with him.

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    Joseph, your post is too vague! I can't figure out what you are getting at! LOL, just kidding. You are straight to the point as always. [​IMG]
     
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    I believe the appropriate term is humbug...
    The Christmastree is a product of the Early Reformation and was only adopted in RC circles in the past century.
    The Nimrod thing was made up by 19th century pseudo-scholar Alexander Hislop. And while halos were adopted from the style used for official monuments by the Roman Empire, easter eggs have a completely different origin.
     
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    Is it possible that there are Christians who do not celebrate the Mass of Christ?

    Does it not seem strange that the commercial profitability of one of the largest nations on this globe depends on the observance of a quasi religious pagan "holyday"?

    P.S. There is a preponderance of evidence to conclude: paganistic origins, without Hislop.

    Help save the environment: send e-mail greetings and buy an artificial tree--made in the U.S. of A, of course.

    Selah,

    Bro. James

    [ December 08, 2005, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: Bro. James ]
     
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    Many of us, James. We have nothing to do with the Mass of Christ. We simply celebrate his birth and worship God sending his Son into the world, just as the angels, the shepherds, and others did.

    It it was important enough for God to send angels to announce, the least we can do is celebrate it with them.

    To the point of the thread, who cares what cards the White House sends out? George didn't send me one this year and so I am not voting for him next time.
     
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    I have no problem with the holiday card.
     
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    I believe the appropriate term is humbug...
    The Christmastree is a product of the Early Reformation and was only adopted in RC circles in the past century.
    The Nimrod thing was made up by 19th century pseudo-scholar Alexander Hislop. And while halos were adopted from the style used for official monuments by the Roman Empire, easter eggs have a completely different origin.
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    Who knows, Christmas trees are not Christian thourgh. I have no problems with trees, but we need to at least be honest about them. Halos and Easter Eggs clearly have pagan origins, do they not, Mioque??
     
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    Jesus did tell His disciples to remember His death. Where did He tell them to remember His birth?

    Jesus was born to die, in fact, before the foundation of the world. While it is certainly one of many irrefutable credentials, the fact of His Virgin Birth has little to do with Jesus, The Christ--and Him crucified, which is the Good News which overcomes the bad news that all of mankind is depraved and separated from God without the shed blood of the Lamb of God.

    Most of the "religious" aspects of Christmas are unscriptural anyway. Children are taught that we are rewarded for good works--including heaven. That is salvation by works which is inconsistent with the scripture. It is, however, consistent with salvation by works which is taught by the holy see and the daughters of Rome.

    "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"

    "Abstain from all appearance of evil"

    Selah,

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    "Christmas trees are not Christian thourgh."
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    Indeed, they are Lutheran.

    Easter eggs certainly have a pagan origin. Halos on the other hand are only Pagan in the same sense that the Relativety Theory is Jewish.
     
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    Maybe not, but he sure pandered to get the evangelical vote to help him win two elections. I'm glad I only fell for it once.
     
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    And I'm so apathetic to Bush's cards that I couldn't care less.
     
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    Absoultely right. He claimed to be a Christian, and is personal testimony is without question. But some Christians will never be happy. They complain that the POTUS isn't born again, and when we get a PUTOS who is born again, those same people complain that he's not "Christian enough". This attitide of consistant complaining is the result of sinful nature, nothing less. They who would complain about the POTUS would do so without ceasing, even if the POTUS were Christ himself.
    I concur with you.

    What's unfortunate is that who whole "merry christmas vs happy holidays" issue has been hijacked by the hyperfundamentalist extremists to the point where if a Christian says "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings", that person's faith is questioned.
     
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    Jesus Christ would not concern Himself with being politically correct.
     
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    They who would complain about the POTUS would no doubt accuse Christ of being politically correct if he was POTUS.
     
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    God thought it important to tell people about thousands of years before so that they could look forward to it and rejoice. God thought it was enough of a chance to celebrate that he sent angels to give the news. Paul and Peter both thought it was important enough to talk about. So should we.

    We remember a great many things that we are not specifically instructed to remember. But we are told to teach others about Christ, and his birth is a part of that.

    Actually, the virgin birth has everything to do with it. If Jesus were not born of a virgin, then the crucifixion means nothing. The virgin birth is what makes the sacrifice of Christ worthy for forgiveness.

    I was never taught this. If your children are taught this, then you are wrong. But this is no reason to not celebrate Christmas. The answer to false teaching is true teaching.

    yes, indeed.

    Irrelevant since no one is suggesting anyone be involved in evil.
     

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