Holman and SBC

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  1. Phillip

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    Is the Holman Translation going to be limited to Southern Baptist Churches simply because it is printed by "Holman"?

    Are there other Baptists who have the Holman and what are you thoughts?

    I know the Sunday School material used by many SBC churches now quote both the KJV and the Holman. The second translation used to be the NIV, but that has changed.

    I have heard two reasons for this and both make sense. 1st, why not get rid of having to pay the very expensive NIV royalties by quoting your own translation. and 2nd, with the NIV coming out with a questionable translation, why not get rid of it before it becomes an issue that the SBC must deal with. Both of these came from very high sources within the convention.

    The real purpose of my thread, though is to find out what other groups think about the Holman. Personally, I think it is a great translation, but may be limited due to the Holman name.
     
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    There have been quite a few here (myself among them - though SBC) who have voiced a favorable opinion about the HCSB. Not all of them were SBC.
     
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    The HCSB is my translation of choice now...

    I use it for personal reading and for preaching.
     
  4. Terry_Herrington

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    It's all about money! Holman gets money by translating a version for the SBC. And, the SBC saves money they would have had to pay Zondervan for using the NIV.
     
  5. Phillip

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    Thanks for the responses. I certainly like the New Testament (I don't yet have the whole Bible). I picked it up when they were practically giving away New Testaments about a year ago.

    It hit the market right after I purchased my ESV. Tough break for ESV marketing.

    The HCSB is definitely an easier to read translation. I hope it catches on outside of SBC circles.

    Dr. Bob, would you ever consider reading it, with the Holman press being the printer?
     
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    How much money do you think Holman made when it spent over 20 years translating a Bible that sells for 19.99 a copy?
     
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    The SBC also saves money on its literature because it doesn't have to pay the NIV royalty.
     
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    They need to save money to pay for Patterson's new library and the money they claim they need to run the seminaries.
     
  9. Phillip

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    Do you mean those private universities that charge about $350 per credit hour? :D
     
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    I don't disagree that they save money by doing this. Or at least, save money each year (from now on). But think about it this way. You have 66 books, and roughly that many interpreters (a few men did more than one book, a few books had more than one man). This project was started in 1985. If you summed up the money the SBC payed from 1985 till 2003 (when they started using HSBC in quarterlies) and summed up the cost of the project (payment of each interpreter, typesetter, editor, etc), how far ahead do you think the SBC came on this one?

    I don't have any figures, but it seems to me if they did it for the money, then it's a good thing they deal more with theology than business because that is a terrible business plan.
     
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    Amen, Brother Rookiepastor -- Preach it! [​IMG]
     
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    Believe it or not, I really wasn't complaining, just making a point.
     
  13. Phillip

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    I don't think this was meant to be a business plan, nor was it the overall intention of the printing company. I was just making a comment that by using their own translation, the SBC can save some money.

    The business plan is most likely based on sales of the Bible and whether or not it is sound, depends on what the goals of that plan really are.

    In other words, one goal might be to make a profit while another goal may be simply to provide a new updated translation. etc.

    Please notice that my point was "WHY SBC used the Holman in their new Sunday School literature?" Not, why they decided to make a new translation.

    I don't think that the business plan was ever an intention of dispute here.
     
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    Believe it or not, I really wasn't complaining, just making a point. </font>[/QUOTE]Your goal
    didn't equal your accomplishement.
    You accomplished the act of complaining.

    My second HCSB was the $4.95 model
    but it was on sale for $4:25 (+8% tax).
    I keep it at work.
     
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    The money was an issue for the SBC, but I think that mostly it was because International Bible Society came out with the Today's New International Version (TNIV) and the powers that be didn't like some of the gender neutral changes in the TNIV (can't have submissive women if you do that) so in the words of Al Mohler they had to make a translation "they could control" so that is what they did.
    I don't care all that much for the HCSB because of the short choppy sentences that doesn't reflect the structure Greek very well. That is a style critique more then anything. But some folks seem to enjoy it so enjoy away.
     
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    This is not true. I simply pointed out why I think the SBC has switched to the HCSB.
     
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    Terry, you are wasting your time arguing
    with my opinion. Learn to ignore opinions
    you don't like. [​IMG]
     
  18. Phillip

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    Ed, You make an excellent point. There is very little evidence that there has been much money to be made to cover R&D for the HCSB.

    We are getting $2 New Testaments at our church for the kids departments. I'm sure this is partially a marketing gimmick, but don't think that every other printer in the world, including those that still print the KJV aren't doing something to market their Bibles. This is the way it works.

    Now, Terry does have somewhat of a point when he says it is all money, but he doesn't show the other side where the KJV printers are coming out with all kinds of new study Bibles and NOW they are jumping on a new KJVo or KJV preferred bandwagon. I've seen it on their covers: "The original King James, blah blah blah"

    If Terry wants to mention money, why did the King of England ban all other Bible versions and then authorize only certain printers (those who would pay huge taxes back to the state) to print it?

    This world is all about money, whether we like it or not.

    But, I think Ed makes a good point that the Holman is certainly not acting greedy about recovery of their R&D money; especially when you consider the amounts of royalties charged by the NIV.
     
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    On this point I will agree with you. Publishers are interested in making money; there is nothing wrong with this. As long as there is a market, publishers will continue to fill it.

    I did not condemn Holman for publishing the HCSB, I just made a point.
     
  20. Phillip

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    Point taken, Terry, thank you.
     

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