Holman Christian Standard Bible

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  1. computerjunkie

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    Is anyone familiar with this new translation? It was created by LifeWay, published by Broadman & Holman (division of LifeWay Christian Resources of the SBC).

    Beginning this fall, LifeWay will be using this translation with their Sunday School curriculum although the NT is the only part finished so far. OT will be available in 2004.

    My question is why we need yet another translation. What makes this one different from the myriad of other translations available?
     
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    The HCSB is a conservative translation that is more literal than the NIV but less precise than the NAS or the ESV. You can trace the origins of both the HCSB and the ESV back to the gender-neutral controversies of the NIV and the TNIV. I suspect that the HCSB will have a harder time gaining acceptance outside the SBC simply because it is a denominational Bible. From what I"ve seen, I prefer the ESV. Here is LINK for a more thorough review.

    Andy
     
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    Our church uses the NIV. I don't see any reason to change.
     
  4. computerjunkie

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    Andy, thanks for that link! I had only found info about it on "their" website! However, I'm a little unclear on something. Is this translation going to be "gender-neutral"? Surely not after all the flap about the TNIV (which, by the way, LifeWay does not support). I looked at HCSB online and it appears they have substituted the word "person" for the word "man" when "man" is not specifically referring to a male.

    Terry, we use NIV also in my church. I doubt my pastor will change, even though the S.S. curriculum will be using HCSB.
     
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    C.J., Crosswalk.com has HCSB as an option for N.T. verses. I've not noticed a major difference from other modern versions but I haven't sat and done a verse by verse comparison either.

    http://bible1.crosswalk.com/

    2 Timothy 2:1 You, therefore, my child, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, commit to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. 3 Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. 4 To please the recruiter, no one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of everyday life. 5 Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. 6 It is the hardworking farmer who ought to be the first to get a share of the crops. 7 Consider what I say, for the Lord will give you understanding in everything. HCSB


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    I don't know that I would call the HCSB gender-netural. I think they are just trying to be gender inclusive when the underlying Greek is gender inclusive. Personally, I prefer the KJV rendering for anthropos, "brethren", rather the either "people/persons" (HCSB) or "brothers" (ESV).

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    "Gender-inclusive"...much better wording!
     
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    dianetavegia cited:

    2 Timothy 2:1

    Well, I can't say I'm terribly impressed with the style!
     
  9. dianetavegia

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    I think it's on par with some of the other MV's. I really love my NKJV. I memorized scripture in KJV and it's hard to learn again at MY age! LOL

    Diaen
     
  10. Forever settled in heaven

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    n how wld u deal w "adelphoi"? :D
     
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    HCSB is a SBC controled bible and is a reaction to the TNIV and to the fact that the SBC doesn't want to pay for the rights of using the NIV in the quarterlies.
    It is interesting that all the flap the TNIV took because of using gender inclusive language is a translation technique that the HCSB translator used.

    Concerning the control issue I think Mohler addressed this issue fine
    Link to Mohler comment on controling the translation

    Control doesn't seem to be a good reason for a new translation
     
  12. aefting

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    Whoops! That's the Greek word I meant! Where's the "I'm embarrassed Graemlin?" [​IMG]

    Andy
     
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    Nor I -- it's all short, choppy sentences.
     
  14. Baptist Believer

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    I find it very interesting that Mohler is dead wrong on this point:
    The answer, he said, should be no. He pointed to the type of Greek in which the New Testament was written as an example.
    "It was the common form of the day but it was not the lowest common denominator of the day," he said. "... It was not the street language."


    Koine Greek was very much the language of commerce - the language of the streets and the docks - and has little of the formality and majesty of classical high Greek, the language of philosophy and other 'important' subjects.

    Well it's the reason for every other decision in the SBC nowadays. Why start to change now?
     
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    There is some controversy concerning this point. Let me provide an excerpt from an excellent article by Michael Marlowe, Was the Bible Written in "Street Language?"

     
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    I received a promo video from Lifeway concerning the HCSB the other day. They say it is not a SBC Bible but I was offended by the video's subtle pot shot at Gideon's International. It Basically says prisoners cannot understand the KJV Gideon Bibles given out so this prison chaplain uses the HCSB. That may be true BUT you don't in even a subtle way down another ministry's Bible (NOTE: I am not sure if the KJV is the only Bible Gideons distribute). It may have not been intentional but a Editor should have caught such a statement.

    This video was supposely something I would show for a Sunday School or a Sunday Night Bible Study. RIGHT! I'm going to show a infomercial for Lifeway who's Sunday School materials are overrated and overpriced. The prices on their evangelistic New Testaments are inexpensive and I may buy some for a Christmas evangelistic campaign but I was not impressed by Lifeway's marketing ploy.
     
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    I have been told by some that they feel it is an effort to get everybody on the same page and control the convention.
    I exepct it to be a huge flop. There were other earlier efforts that failed miserably as well. Some of those in cintro have renounced some of their teachers from the past who are good sound theologians. Conformity does not bring unity. Having pastored in the SBC I saw quite an effort to control what was printed and read by the people. Many of the states had deliberately failed to continue the printing of the state paper. The substitute was a paper supplied by the leaders without any editorials by the lay people.
     
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    Now that was edifying, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

    In Christ,
    Neal
     
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    Well, the literature for next quarter
    was in my Sunday School room this morning.
    Come the first Sunday in September,
    we will be reading from the HCSB, but only
    the Lesson Passage, not the Background Passage.
    I'm Studying from the Bible Book series
    which goes through each book of the Bible
    each seven years. I've been teaching the
    Bible Book series that i'm on the third
    round.

    Of course the whole HCSB won't be available
    until next spring :eek:
     
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    The Literature (for teachers)
    includes a copy of the HCSB New Testament.

    Here is how you get saved in the
    Holman Christian Standard Bible:

    Romans 10:9 (HCSB):

    if you confess with your mouth,
    "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your
    heart that God raised Him from the dead,
    you will be saved.


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