Holman Translation

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  1. C.S. Murphy

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    haven't been around for awhile so I suppose this has already been discussed but here goes. How does everybody like the Holman translation?
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  2. Rippon

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    It's topnotch . Second only to the TNIV . I hope that the HCSB would do a better marketing job. More people need to be familiar with it . It stands head and shoulders above the ESV .
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    A Google search for //HCSB site:baptistboard.com// shows
    743 hits. This indicates you need to read 743 pages before
    starting this topic. Every other month someone who
    needs to learn more about Googling BB (Baptist Board)
    starts an HCSB topic.
     
  4. C.S. Murphy

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    Ed I am so sorry to disturb you. Just trying to make conversation, did I catch you at a bad time?
    Murph
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    Yes, I had two Grandchildren dumped on me to raise.

    Welcome back C.S.Murphy - Long time no "C" (as C++ programers
    are want to say ;) )
     
  6. Dr. Bob

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    It is perceived in my neck o'the woods that the Holman is for Southern Baptists.

    I am not one and hence, have never read a page of it. So have no opinion good/bad/ugly about it
     
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    (temporary thread derailing ahead)

    Dumped on you Ed?

    Hmmmm, I wonder if they know you think of them as garbage?

    Could have/should have used a better word I think.

    Children are not trash that can be "dumped".
     
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    I am not SBC and I like what I have read of the Holman Christian Standard so far.
     
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    I've primarily been using the ESV this past year but when I compare various versions, Holman's on my list.
    My short list includes the ESV, NASB, AV 1873, NKJV, NIV, HCSB, and Young's [as well as BHS, NA27/UBS, Majority where approprate].
    (Isn't it so much easier to study on a computer?!)

    Once in a while I find some excellent and unique translations there.

    ...as I tend my beloved grandson at 3 AM. Where's that sleepy icon??? :sleep:

    Rob
     
  10. Keith M

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    Although I have not used the HCSB extensively, I find I like it. It is not as literal as some of the literal translations like the NASB or the NKJV. It is far superior to the NIV family (NIV, NIVr, TNIV). which uses the dynamic equivalence method of translation. And although the HCSB was translated by Southern Baptists, it doesn't seem to be just a Bible for Southern Baptists.
     
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    The two General Editors of the HCSB, the late Dr. Arthur L. Farstad, and Dr. Ed Blum, were not So. Baptist, I don't believe. The SBC entity does 'own' the rights to the HCSB and did commission the translation, however, I believe, if memory serves. It was not translated to be "just for Southern Baptists", but was comissioned after revisions were being made to the NIV by its owners, including becoming more "gender neutral", (and that at the 'expense' of the Languages) and with the large amount of royalties being paid by the SBC SS Board for the use of the material. By comissioning that translation, and keeping the money "in house", Broadman/Holman and the SS Board saved big bucks for the SBC. BTW, Dr. Farstad was also the General Editor for the NKJV.

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    Contrary to Keith's claims , the HCSB is the closest translation to the TNIV . I'll have to see how close the ISV will be . It is a tight group with many similarities crowding the field : NRSV , ESV , HCSB, TNIV , NET and ISV . The HCSB has its share of "dynamic renderings " which are valid . The ESV also has plenty of examples of the same . The real distance between the HCSB , TNIV and ESV translating philosophies is minimal ( despite what the anti-TNIV forces would have an unsuspecting public to believe . ) I have demonstrated with comparisons time and time again that the TNIV is essentially a formal translation with idiomatic renderings when the more formal wording would have proved unwieldy . With its updating it moves a little more toward the formal side of the ledger . If there ever could be a synthesis of the HCSB and the TNIV it would be wonderful !
     
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    You are talking theory, I'm talking real life.

    I've been using the HCSB two years longer than it has
    been out. I use it to teach Sunday School, for private devotions,
    etc.
     
  14. Keith M

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    Despite Rippon's fanciful claims there are no "anti-TNIV forces would have an unsuspecting public to believe" anything. The TNIV is merely a translation inferior to the KJV, the NKJV, the NASB, the HCSB and several other translations.
     
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    I think you're reading an awful lot into what Ed said. I'm offended you'd even insinuate that Ed was calling children trash. That's beyond the pale in my opinion.
     
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    I agree completely. Suggesting that Ed thinks of children as garbage requires an apology. Talk about putting words in someone's mouth!!!

    Ed, I'm praying for strength for you, Brother!
     
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    There will be no apology forthcoming. As I said, should have/could have used a better word than DUMPED.

    And now back to our regularly shceduled mindless blah blah blah...

    Carry on with your thread. I SAID it was a temporary derail. He SHOULD have used a better word than to say it the way he did. I wonder..... Does he talk like that when they are around him? If not, why not?
     
  18. EdSutton

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    Wondering what this has to do with 'Holman Translation'?

    Without the "our regularly shceduled (sic) mindless blah blah blah...", I usually wouldn't have a thing to read except "USA Today"!

    Please, all of us, carry on! :rolleyes:

    Ed
     
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    I heard that one of the more prominent leaders in the SBC made the statement about the HCSB that is was about time Southern Baptists had a Bible translation that they could "control." A translation on which the members of just one denomination are allowed to work is a biased translation.
     
  20. Salamander

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    define the antecedent of "dump" please?
     

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