Holy Smoke

I am not sure if this is true, but I read once a while back that DL Moody visited Spurgeon in England and was shocked when Spurgeon pulled out a cigar. Moody pointed to it and said what is that? Spurgeon just smiled and pointed to Moody's big belly and said what is that? Then they both laughed and went about their buiness.

 

Is it proven......

Does everyone who uses tobacco get cancer? What percentage of persons who use this narcotic and dangerous substance get cancer?

Smoking is becoming more and more taboo. Movies that show smoking in them get an "R" rating so as not to influence our children and cause them to be persuaded to do evil. But.......the same rulers who govern over the evil tobacco lords also hand the same kids a "Mary Has Two Mommies" booklet with their anti-smoking brochure.

 

Second hand smoke kills? Who, does it kil? Who has died from second hand smoke and the autopsy read "Cause of Death - Second Hand Smoke"?

Is it addicting, yes, very much so, is harmful though? To who? Everyone?

Who is being influenced? And Joe Camel made kids smoke too.

 

My aunt did not smoke. She lived with my uncle--a heavy smoker. She got lung cancer and died in her 60's.

Of course no one is forced to smoke. But don't pretend it's not harmful to all involved. It is. That is an unquestioned fact.

 

so your example must be the rule, right?

I am sure some statistics could support your "fact based opinions"

 

Look, if you want to believe that second hand smoke doesn't cause terrible damage, go right ahead.

We know what are in cigarettes. We know the volatility of said substances. We know that people in close proximity to smokers inhale said chemicals. We know, via clinical studies, the toxicity/carcinogenic properties of said chemicals. Feel free to ignore the facts, but you are indeed ignoring concrete scientifically-proven evidence:

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

• The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke. Short exposures to secondhand smoke can cause blood platelets to become stickier, damage the lining of blood vessels, decrease coronary flow velocity reserves, and reduce heart rate variability, potentially increasing the risk of heart attack.2
• Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).3
• Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic, including formaldehyde, benzene, vinyl chloride, arsenic ammonia and hydrogen cyanide.4
• Secondhand smoke causes almost 50,000 deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year, including approximately 3,400 from lung cancer and 22,700-69,600 from heart disease.5
• Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of secondhand smoke in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.6
• Workplace productivity was increased and absenteeism was decreased among former smokers compared with current smokers.7
• Twenty-three states, as well as the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, have passed laws prohibiting smoking in almost all public places and workplaces, including restaurants and bars.8
• Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.9
• Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.10 Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.11
• In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis.12 Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.13
• Research indicates that private research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.14

ALSO:

• MORE
• http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/ETS
• http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/secondhandsmoke.html
• http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/secondhand_smoke/

As you can see...I didn't exactly make this stuff up.

 

lol...keeping that one filed in my "smarmy retorts" file! :laugh:

 

As a follow up, I don't get the "keep your temple clean" argument. It often is said by people who litter frequently with other things in their temple.

I mean really do you:
1. Not eat greasy foods
2. Keep your red meat intake low
3. Work out daily
4. Only drink purified water
5. Have a high fiber diet
6. Stay active throughout the day
7. Have a healthy cholesterol rating
8. etc
9. etc

because too often my friends who smoke get criticized by people holding a McDonald's take out bag in their hands.

Besides that Paul's emphasis isn't about food, exercise, and physical things about our bodies. Paul's immediate context is about personal sexual purity. It is about fleeing from those things that defile us spiritually. It isn't about smoking, drinking, and eating.

In fact I'd be willing to suggest that the whole point from Paul in the proper context has nothing to do with physical intake on minor vice issues but is a larger argument about our pursuit of sexual purity.

 

Smoking is evil. Trans-fats on the other hand...

I thought this thread was about taking the Lord's name in vain, what "Holy Smoke" is, IMO.

 

Just as an aside. It is reported that Mr. Spurgeon quit smoking his cigars when he noticed a poster in a tobacconist shop:
"The tobacco that Spurgeon smokes." That witness was too much for him.

By the way, I wonder how long you could hold your head over a working chimney and suck in that smoke?

Cheers,

Jim

 

On the health issue, smoking is dangerous. That's a proven fact. If you disagree you need to pull your head out of the sand.

Is it a sin. I have never really considered it so but know many people who do. As already mentioned we do NOT have the liberty to "do as I please" but we have to consider others as more important than myself. So I ask, If I walk down a stree of crowded people without a cigarette, how many people are going to say "What a horrible act that preacher is performing. Why if he can go withou smoking and still get to heaven why I can (fill in the blank) and still get there." or Say "Look at him, he's no closer to God than I". What percentage? Probably 0%.

But if I flip it around and do smoke and just one person is caused to stumble throughout my life, I ask "Was it worth it?"

 

There is a story of Moody calling on Spurgeon and on encountering him remarked "I can't believe a man of God would have something like that in his mouth." (Spurgeon had a liking to oversized cigars) To which Spurgeon replied, "I can't believe a man of God would be as fat as you."

 

Amen! :thumbsup:

 

I thought it was either about Catholicism or Batman and Robin at first.

Could not find anything to collaborate this, I heard it was a myth.

I disagree and do not have my head in the sand.

 

So who is talk here in that verse and what is the context of the overall passage

 

So it's not for us nor it it talking about us