okay, the other thread with the same title minus the "!!" is on its 5th or 6th page and I think is about to be closed, besides which it has veered off topic already so I'm starting this one. apologies. I just found the publication where I read the article which spurred the question but let me give some backgrounders or groundwork or whatever y'all want to call it. I believe in LIMITED ATONEMENT. But what I understand is that Limited Atonement is all part and parcel of the Election package. That is, like Redemption, Salvation, Adoption, etc., the whole shebang applied to ALL THE ELECT, whether they are gospelly saved, or not. However, this article seems to be saying that Limited Atonement is for the gospelly saved. Now, maybe I am misunderstanding what the author (who will remain unnamed, but IS Primitive Baptist) is simply saying that Limited Atonement is proved to be FOR the elect (all of them) only by the fact that out of a fallen humanity, not all will respond to the gospel message and call for obedience. So, here is what the author stated, or wrote: Who is He ? Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bear a son, and they shall call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins. (So, Jesus is the one that shall save his people. Who are His people ? Are they all of Adam's race ? Psalm 100:3 : Know ye that the Lord, he is God. It is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture. Then his people are sheep. Who are the sheep ? John 10:29 "My father which gave them me...." So the sheep are the ones the Father gave his son. John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me, shall come to me. Who is it that comes to him ? The ones the Father gave him. Do all come to Jesus ? No. Then if all do not come, then all were not given, then we have a limited atonement proven. Will my fellow PB's comment on this, please ? Is limited atonement applied only to those AMONG THE ELECT who come to Jesus ? Or does he mean, they who come to Jesus, FROM the elect, prove that atonment is limited to the elect only, since not all of Adam's race are his people. I lean towards the last one, but I need some comments. thank you.