Are there any people who believe in free will and non predestination etc who are honest in what they believe? I think so. I used to be like that myself. I Honestly believed I was right. How about studied? This is where I am baffled. The Bible so clearly teaches the doctrines an Grace and predestination that I don't see how anyone who has Studied can believe otherwise. Are they truly converted? Baby christians who are ignorant, as I was are one thing. BUt what other explanation fits for those who have been in the ministry for 30 years and still deny God's sovereign grace other than the fact that the natural man cannot know these things?