Honor the Desire of the American People

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  1. KenH

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    Tuesday 01 May 2007


    Ted Galen Carpenter, vice president for foreign policy and defense studies of the Cato Institute:
    On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln and spoke beneath a large 'Mission Accomplished' banner. Now, four years later, the administration and its supporters demand that Congress and the American people give the 'surge'--the latest tactical tweak in the Iraq war--a chance to work. Presumably, critics of the war should remain silent for months (if not years) while the surge is executed. The administration and other pro-war types act as though the Iraq mission began with the surge, but we have heard an endless series of unfounded optimistic pronouncements for four long, bloody years. One needs to ask: Just how many 'do overs' does the Bush administration believe it is entitled to have? The time for patience with the failed and futile Iraq mission has long passed. A majority of Americans want U.S. troops out of Iraq within the next year. Their wish should be honored.

    - www.cato.org/homepage_item.php?id=543
     
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    Really ? They asked everyone, eh ?

    Stuff like this nonsense has really made me examine my Ron Paul support.
     
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    What is the Ron Paul connection in this thread?
     
  4. KenH

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    The voters spoke last November and the public opinion polls since then have backed up their votes.
     
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    The polls have been discredited so many times it's not funny.

    This was the "macaca" and paige election.
     
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    Everyone that supports him puts stuff like this up. Count me out.
     
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    The Cato institute is a Libertarian think tank. Ron Paul is a Republican with a heavy Libertarian world view and background. Libertarians are predominantly opposed to the use of military force in Iraq. Ron Paul is also opposed to the use of military force in Iraq. You have a heavy neo-conservative world view, are strongly in favor of the current use of military force and would not be a match for a Libertarian candidate. Why should we suppose you were ever counted in?
     
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    Ron Paul & his followers do not appear to have a frim grasp on the reality of Islamofacism. I don't care to be a member of your little club, but I was thinking of voting for him. Thank the good Lord that his supporters spoke up.
     
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    Well of course you're invited into our "club" but don't pretend that you were considering supporting him when your world view is so contrary to his. It makes it look more like you're a Ron Paul opponent trying to discredit him than you were ever considering supporting him. He is one of the few on both sides of the aisles that was an anti-war candidate from the beginning. Were you considering altering your jingoist positions as well?
     
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    I made several statements on this very board that indicated I was considering him. You mind reading skills have atrophied, my friend. Or you are a liar. Either way, I've grown weary of your name-calling. You're just as mean spirited and coarse as anyone you accuse of the same.

    As far as the OP, yes the violence in Iraq has increased. That happens with a surge. Perhaps the detractors don't want it to work. But this "most Americans" should be at least attempted to be backed up. Because I, and everyone I hang around with, and see on a daily basis, have never been asked.
     
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    Well praise God. I'm excited that you'd be in favor of a candidate who would pull-out of Iraq immediately upon taking office.
     
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    Yea there are a few on the board who think they can read minds.
     
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    I, a Ron Paul supporter, have a very firm grasp on al Qaeda and its Taliban allies. I wish that we had gone into Afghanistan with overwhelming force and captured/killed Osama bin Laden and the rest of al Qaeda and its Taliban allies instead of allowing a significant portion to escape and allow Afghanistan to now become a mess.

    We should have finished the job in Afghanistan instead of foolishly listening to the neocons and invading Iraq which had nothing to do with the attacks in this country on 9/11/2001.
     
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    Now you are sounding like the liberals who discredit the results of an elections when the results don't suit them.
     
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    So what part of the Costitution leaves military decisions up to the latest poll of a thousand or so Americans? Or to a national vote? I am not aware of that part of the Constitution.

    Furthermore, there is no way that we can expect the American public to have a firm enough grasp on the intricacies of foreign policy, middle east politics, military strategy and logistics, and the related fields to make any informed decisions.

    The American voting public can barely read the ballot and some of them cannot even do that. Let's not pretend they are equipped to make military decisions.
     
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    This is a republic, Pastor Larry, and the people choose their representatives. If the public votes in representatives that want our troops to be withdrawn from Iraq, then that is what should be done - whether you or I or any person in particular, including the president, agrees with their judgment.

    And, in this matter, I agree with the judgment of the majority of Americans.
     
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    For once I agree with Pastor Larry. The voting American public has no idea of how complicated running a foreign policy is, or even what it is for that matter. The government and corporations have gone all out to make it all secret and keep it that way the only thing people really know is what they're told by the government and corporations (Govcorp Inc. for short), Ken...we simple must trust Govcorp Inc. don't you see...there's no other way.
     
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    Not as long as the synapses are still firing in my brain, poncho. :)
     

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