House Health Bill Has Nowhere to Go in Senate

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  1. Revmitchell

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    WASHINGTON -- Don't look for the Senate to quickly follow the House on health care overhaul.

    A government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate. They're locked in a battle with liberals, with the fate of President Obama's signature issue at stake.

    If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.
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  2. Johnv

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    I'm slightly surprised the bill made it out of the House. It doesn't stand a chance at making it out of the Senate.
     
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    Don't be so sure.
     
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    Reluctant democrats can be bought off and RINOs like Snowe can't be trusted.
     
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    Good. I was reading something on Drudge about it. And are they trying to make it like Car insurance? Where you have to purchase a $15,000 policy or spend up to 5 years in jail? So what are the Dems doing. Punishing people because they are poor? What about the millions who cannot afford to pay $625 every two weeks? or even 2.5 % of their gross annual income? Pelosi is so out of touch!!!! This bill needs to die or we make criminal out of poor citizens for being poor. This is not socially equitable or even acceptable.
     
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    Pelosi is worse than out of touch...she's treasonous.
     
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    I'd like to believe it's dead on arrival in the Senate.. But it did, in spite of being terrible, unconstitutional legislation, pass in the House. I no longer rely on Congress making good decisions for America.
     
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    I'll believe it when the fat woman sings.

    lalala la la!
     
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    OTOH, there are several moderate Dems who find the bill categorically unacceptible, and won't vote for it. Independent Joe Lieberman is flat-out against it. Sanders, the other independent, is leaning against it.
     
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    Glad to see that two very liberal senators - Lieberman and Sanders - may not go along with this bill.
     
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    Are the people who can't afford to pay 2.5 % of their gross annual income for health insurance tithing to their local church? I have never know a person who tithes complain that it costs him anything. The Lord provides.

    Anyone on this list who tithes found it NOT to be true that the Lord provides?
     
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    ??????????
     
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    I'm baffled by this too, BW... what has this got to do with tithing? At first blush I'm inclined to think that you believe this should be looked on as a tithe, which is, of course, absolutely ludicrous. Please explain.
     
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    No.

    Don't explain. It's off topic!
     
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    Too few.

    Enough can be bought off to make it happen.
     
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    I'm guessing Sanders wants single payer or nothing given that he's a self-described socialist.

    I think the House bill is a pretty good version. As I've said before, the public option is a very good plan and it gives the best of both worlds by providing universal coverage and the freedom to choose your own insurance at the same time. So, if you choose to keep your private insurance you can or you can switch to another private insurance company or the public option.

    While the bill is not perfect, it sure beats "don't get sick and if you do die quickly."
     
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    Until the public option forces insurance companies out of the health care business and all you are left with is the government controlled rationing system.

    Silly and contrary to reality.
     
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    Paul3144

    That is an argument you would lose on almost any level.

    But if you don't get it by now, you're a waste of time.
     
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    I've worked with poor people who can't afford paying rent, utilities, groceries, car insurance, a car and other necissary items. 2.5% for some is money they may need. Not everyone is able to afford this. Lets look at this:
    This is more money than some people I meet actually make but here is an example:
    793.50 Bi weekly salary
    approximately 1578 monthly.

    Rent Average for the area 900.00 (rounded up)
    Electricity 100.00 (if they watch it) Especially now that Utilities has been deregulated.
    Water 50.00
    Sewer 75.00
    car payment 250.00
    car insurance 75.00
    Leaving 128.00 for groceries, and other nececities now tack on a necissary 40.00 payment for Health cost so the decision is between getting food, gas, clothes or healthcare. What do you think will be missed? And thats on an income of approximately 20,631 annually. What about other who make less than this?

    Especially now with unemployment figures above 10%?
     
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    Please ignore the village idiot!..
     

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