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Discussion in 'News / Current Events' started by mandym, Nov 2, 2011.
So the House reaffirmed the great national lie. Don't see how that can be a good thing.
Nations cannot trust God and if the current state of affairs is any indication the great majority of individuals do not trust Him either.
How can it not be a good thing?
Does a nation that allows for the murder of 50 million children really trust God? And that is just the most obvious example.
How can 435 secular representatives decide that America really trusts God? How many of them actually do themselves?
Is it a good thing for we, as a nation, to even further deny our christian heritage?
I see your point, and agree that there are problems. I don't see how denying references to God as they relate to our national identity does any good. I think it does more harm.
I am not sure how it does harm.
Our relationship with God is a personal one, not a national identity. To claim that a nation trusts God when they really, corporately, do not seems like hypocrisy to me.
So anyway this is a very good thing.
I am in agreement it is hypocrisy in its highest, but it also says that the Christian influence is not totally dead although greatly weakened. I am always concerned when at secular events God bless America is sung and then 10 seconds after the song many of the ones who sang it blaspheme His name. The same with the pledge to the flag which is another thing I refuse to take.
There is not scripture to back this up. It can and should be as much a national identity as it is personal.
Psa_33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, the people whom he has chosen as his heritage!
Psalm 33:12 promises blessing to the nation whose God is the Lord. I believe we are seeing the withdrawal of that blessing as we move farther away from Him. Anything that aids in that decay of righteousness is harmful, in my opinion.
What evidence to you have that America ever was a nation 'whose God is the Lord?' The only nation who ever had God as their Lord was Israel.
Also, how does falsely claiming the a nation trusts God make a nation righteous?
'In God we Trust' is a lie. Perpetuating a lie does not make it true.
As I understand Ps 33:12, it is not specific to Israel alone.
Do you believe we were never a christian nation, that is to say, do you believe we were not founded on christian principles?
In my experience when you use that phrase those who want a purely secular nation, which is contrary to the Christian walk, refuse to take it in the spirit it is intended and twist it.
But there is no doubt we are a Nation founded on Christian principles. And there is nothing wrong with working to keep it that way. America has not been prefect but we need to remember our founding and set aside the historical revisionism of the far left.
Wow, this is just great! While debate and voting on this incredibly important issue was taken how many unnecessary spending programs were cut? How many burdensome regulations were overturned?
Maybe they can tackle the flag burning question next. And then English as the official language. Then move on to incandescent light bulbs vs. CFL's.
Good point. I edited my post for clarity, with some minor plagiarism. Hope you don't mind.
Nations cannot be 'Christian.' Only individuals can.
Nations cannot trust God. Only people can.
And if a nation could be Christian and trust God they would not allow the slaughter of 50 million children in the last 40 years.
If the slogan were ever true, which I contend it wasn't, it is not now and needs to be removed or changed.
Would have voted no.
As I mentionjed I do see that there is hypocracy in the claim, but the hypocracy is only in the lives of those who it is falsly claimed. The rest who do trust in God have every right to make the claim for themselves and the nation. It is not so much different then with a spouse who is married to a lost person. There children are still sanctified (not saved) because of the one.
Or Lot as long as he remined on Sodom his presence protected the whole city from God's wrath. So I would not say it is an outright lie as long as there is some who can say it honestly. Yes it is a lie for the masses, but as long as the mionority make the claim they hold the truth in themselves.
I think to deny that God has chosen this nation and has been the reason for this nations blessing is to shut our minds to what has taken place.
It is no different with Israel. Not all jew are jews, but still they are God's chosen and as long as there are Christians we can claim this nation for God even in the mist of its many failures and godless actions.
I don't see any theological basis to claim that because a minority trusts God the whole nation deserves God's blessing. God only has one nation, Biblical Israel. Every other nation is man created. Can every nation that has Christians in it make the same claim for their country?
I still contend that 'God's nation' would not have the blood of 50 million children on her hands. It is an evil, wicked, cursed land that allows this kind of slaughter.
I trust God, or try to. I don't need 400 or so mostly lost politicians making it 'official' for me and a lie to the masses who don't believe it.
Hear, hear! :thumbs: