How Are People Saved During the Millennial Reign

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  1. OldRegular

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    How are people saved during the so-called earthly millennial kingdom? Scripture tells us that we are now saved by grace through faith [Ephesians 2:8]. Yet in the millennial kingdom Jesus Christ is supposedly sitting on David's throne, ruling with a rod of iron.

    It seems to me that there is no need for faith, in fact there will be no such thing as faith. I don't need faith to understand that Bush is president of the United States [unless I am a democrat]. Everyone will be able to see the King and know who He is what with TV and all that.

    The Apostle Paul has told us that by the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified in His sight [Romans 3:20] which presumably included the Old Testament Saints also. Even though Jesus Christ is ruling with a rod of iron no one can be good enough to merit salvation.

    So tell me, how are people saved in the earthly millennial kingdom?
     
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    Rom 10:9 (KJV1611):
    That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.

    But there will be church age saints with
    glorified bodies on the earth teaching,
    and judging. The Lord himself will be on
    the earth. Many shall be saved.
     
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    Ed,

    Romans 10:9 is apply to this present age. This verse is for any individual either Jew or Gentile, whosoever shall confess with mouth and heart believe that God hath raised Christ from the death, shall be saved. This is the promise for everyone.

    You do really need a solid clear verse to prove that people shall be saved during in the next age beyond Christ's coming.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    tee hee. DeafPosttrib is a dispensational a-mill. I guess God can do anything [​IMG]
     
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    I am not a dispensational amil. I simple believe the Bible teaches that the kingdom is an eternality without end instead to called myself, "amill".

    Dispensation find in N.T. four times. It means stewardship, duty, responsiblity. It never meaning of different plans, different times.

    Word, 'dispensation' was actually translated in Greek means 'stewardship'.

    Ed, please stop playing with me.

    You know better Romans 10:9 always apply to everyone either Jew of Gentile for salvation throughout all ages from the Calvary to the end of the age.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Now---Eddy---we both know that DPT would make an excellent Pre-mil----see??? Here's my reasoning---if I were taking a airline flight---wouldn't it be a whole lot more enjoyable flight if I were up front close to the Pilot---rather than having to be hanging on to the tailend of the plane????? I mean, at 35,000 feet in the air---crusin' at a speed of 550 mph----I'm up front with the Pilot--cabin pressurized and temp controled at 72 cool degrees!!! DPT---he's on the same flight---but he's outside hangin' on to the tail for dear life---unpressurized---and enjoyin' a cool -100 degree weather!!! Both of us are gonna get there---my trip is more enjoyable-------see????------One of these days---DPT will be known as DPT!!!!! The Post changes to Pre!!!!

    The question is not CAN folks be saved during Jacob's Trouble---the question is WILL they be saved----factoring in the "strong delusion" being sent by God in that terrible age to come---and factoring in the truth that folks will in that age---literally "believe the lie"---thus the father of that lie!!!!

    But all in all----We love and appreciate DPT!!! [​IMG]

    Your Southern Baptist buddy,
    Blackbird
     
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    Ed Edwards, my question is where is faith required? It is required for you and I. Are you telling me that folks during the earthly millennial reign are justified without faith?
     
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    Just answer the question Blackbird, if you can. EE tried and failed.
     
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    By the way Blackbird if you read a little Southern Baptist history you will see there were no pretribbers amongst Southern Baptists until the Scofield reference book came along.
     
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    According to Scripture, no one will be saved after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ

    "so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation" (Hebrews 9:28)

    To assume that there will be "people saved during the so-called earthly millennial kingdom", is wishful thinking!
     
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    Thanks! I used that Scripture somewhere else today. I really don't believe in a so-called earthly millennial kingdom, just trying to find out what those who do believe.
     
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    Matt. 25:1-13 telling us of the parable of ten virgins. Five wise virgins with oil, mean they are ready. Five fool virgins without oil, mean they are not ready. When their bridgegroom comes after midnight, the trumpet sounds, all virgins wake up, and the five virgins are ready to go, as they light the lamp on. The five fool virgins ask five wise virgins need oil. Wise virgins tell them, they have not enough oil left, they have go and sell and get more. Then, five wise virgins ahead on the way to bridgegroom's room with their lamp. Then, the door shut. The five fool virgins ran to the door, and knock beg to open and enter. The bridgegroom tells them, He do NOT know them.

    This parable shows us, it is the picture of Christ's coming, when Christ once comes, then there will be too late for people not yet repent and not ready, will be grab away as thief in the night cast into the fire.

    Same with flood. Noah preached and warning to people, the flood will come and destroy world. People do not believe Noah's warning. When after 120 years past. Rain poured, and I am sure people ran to the Ark, and knocked begging to enter into. But it was too late for them. All of them were killed.

    Christ tells us of Matt. 24:37-41, flood came and took them all away, same with at Christ's coming, when Christ comes, shall take all unbelievers away at once.

    Clearly, Bible teaches us, there was no one survived after the flood past. All unbelievers were killed. This lesson teaches us, there will be no unbeliever left remain beyond Christ's coming by follow the great white throne.

    It is unbiblical that there will be another chance for a person to be saved beyind Christ's coming. Because this age will come to passed, then the next age will be eternality.

    Also, Matt. 25:46 tells us, all goats(unbelievers) shall be cast into the lake of fire for everlasting punishment at once.

    And verse 46 says, sheep(believers) shall go into EVERLASTING life.

    Obivous, all believers shall have glorify new body and being immortality and be with the Lord for forever and ever.....

    So, there is no evidence find in the Bible saying that there will be salvation beyond Christ's coming.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 -Amen!
     
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    Good post DPT! [​IMG]
     
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    We will gladly look at your evidence.
     
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    DeafPosttrib: "This lesson teaches us, there will be no unbeliever left remain beyond Christ's coming by follow the great white throne. "

    The Lord already had me write up the proof
    otherwise:

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    Five Judgements

    The Lord God is a judging God

    "To judge" can mean three things in the Holy Bible:

    A. to discern between good and evil (human function)
    B. to condemn, usually falsely (human function)
    C. to reward the just & punish the evil (Godly function)

    The Five Judgements:

    1. Believers for SIN on the Cross
    WHO: All who will Believe
    WHEN: 33AD
    WHERE: Jerusalem
    WHY: The Lord God is a merciful God.
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

    How to get from judgement 1 to judgement 2
    (and avoid judgements 3, 4, or 5):

    Romans 10:9 (KJV): "That if thou
    shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt
    believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from
    the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    "

    2. Judgement Seat of Christ
    WHO: Believers for works
    WHEN: during the Great Tribulation on earth;
    Right after the Rapture/Resurrection that starts
    the Tribulation
    WHERE: Heaven
    WHY: to assign rewards (including
    the Millinnial Kingdom rest)
    to the redeemed for their good works
    HOW: The Grace of God through Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: found innocent by the Bood of Jesus

    3. Judgement of Yisrael under Antichrist
    (Ezekiel 22:17-22 Time of Jacob's Trouble; Ezekiel 20:34-38;
    Jeremiah 30:1-24; Revelation 6-19)
    WHO: Yisrael
    WHEN: during the Tribulation
    WHERE: earth
    WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises
    HOW: The wrath of God by Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: Great Tribulation

    4. Throne of His Glory judgement
    (AKA: Sheep and Goats judgement, Matthew 25:31-46)
    WHO: the nations: the living survivers of the Great Tribulation
    (these people are NOT saved, they are human in human bodies)
    WHEN: after the Great Tribulation, before the Millennial Age
    WHERE: Jerusalem
    WHY: The Lord God fulfills His promises: God will bless those
    who bless Yisrael and curse those who curse Yisrael
    HOW: Judged by their treatment of Yisrael
    WHAT: the cursed to Hell; the blessed to the Millennial Age

    5. Great White Throne judgement
    WHO: the wicked dead
    WHEN: after the Millennial Age; before endless ages
    WHERE: between Hell and the Lake of Fire
    WHY: The Lord God is not mocked
    HOW: The wrath of God by Messiah Jesus
    WHAT: the Messiah rejectors consigned to endless punishment

    NOTE: The delineation of the five revealed
    judgements above does not preclude other specific
    or general judgements. One place on the net i found
    a chart where TWENTY-FOUR judgements were delineated.
    The Lord God is a judging God and His hand is not shortened
    by His revelation to us nor
    by our understaning of His revelation to us.

    May Jesus our Savior and our Lord be Praised!

    --compilation by ed,
    incurable Jesus Phreaque

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    We will gladly look at your evidence. </font>[/QUOTE]You could start with

    1. By His Grace and For His Glory by Thomas J. Nettles

    2. Abstract of Systematic Theology by James P. Boyce, pay particular attention to the Abstract of Principles of the Southern Seminary, Articles 19 and 20.

    3. Manual of Theology by J. R. Dagg

    4. Baptist Confessions of Faith by William L. Lumpkin

    I won't hold my breath.
     
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    From all the response from the pretribbers or premillennialists [or lack thereof] I assume no one is saved during the Millennial Reign.
     
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    If i was a betting man, i'd bet
    that way.

    2Co 6:2 (KJV1611):
    (For he saith, I haue heard thee in a time
    accepted, and in the day of saluation haue I
    succoured thee: beholde, now is the accepted
    time, behold, now is the day of saluation
    )

    Yep, i only bet on SURE THINGS. Nobody knows
    if after the Christians are all gone to
    heaven in the pretribulation rapture, if
    anybody but Jews will be saved in
    the Tribulation Period.
     
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    Oops, i can't keep up with all the eschatology
    topics. The previous post goes in
    some other topic :confused:
     
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    I can't say who: "I won't hold my breath."

    Don't. I have no access to these books :eek:

    Would you care to quote those documents
    in the direction you would like to prove?
     

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