How Bush and Cheney Got Their War

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  1. KenH

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    Absolutely CORRECT!!!!

    Praise God that we are not governed by a dictatorship. God has raised up "We the people" into power in this wonderful nation and all Christians should understand that God has given Christians their share of the responsibility here in the USA of voting to elect "representatives" that are God fearing.

    Governments are put in place by God and are held accountable to God for how they governed. Every citizen of the USA is a member of government. So let us be careful how we perform our duty of voting as ambassadors for our Lord. And let us be careful not to erroniously seperate government from ourselves in our thought process.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    Congress? The same congress that passed the first Patritot Act that killed the fourth amendment without reading it, the second one because they were scared not to? That congress? The same congress that voted to repeal habeas corpus at the deciders request? That congress? The same congress that is about to totally ignore the will of the American people and pardon 12 - 20 or even 30 million illegal aliens without so much as counting the cost? That congress? The same congress that is silent as a clam about the CFR program to merge America Cannada and Mexico into a North American Union, "community" if you prefer. That congress?

    WoW! What credibility this congress weilds! I'd be ashamed to put up such an arguement about this congress giving the decider permission to invade and occupy a Dunkin Doughnuts let alone two countries. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes, that Congress. Have you let them know what you think? One issue at a time would be helpful.
     
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    Matter of fact yes I have. I believe at least 80 percent of the U.S. population has let them know what we think of their "immigration reform".

    That's the problem as I see it right there Dragoon. There is only one issue...our government has been co opted by transnationals that have no loyalty to any nation at all and are taking this nation apart piece by piece and reducing it to something the global banks and corporations can divvy up amongst themselves.

    All the other issues are the byproducts of this one big issue and we must not mistake the lesser issues as seperate from the one worlders main objective. One world government. There cannot be a free sovereign United States and a one world government one or the other has to be dismantled...I'm all for an independent free and sovereign USA.
     
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    As usual, Poncho speaks wisely. It's all about the money-changers.
     
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    It can be frustrating if we as Christians do not keep our emotions in check and remember that God has told us in scripture that a one world order must come. This is all part of the grooming process. It is inevitable. We can only do our part before our Lord by having our free speach while it last and voting God's morals as a witness to others and as one who must give an account at Jesus' judgment seat.

    We lose the battle but we win the war! Praise Jesus!

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    Amen.:tear:

    Agreed.

    Disagree. He is a flop as a CIC because he was so arrogant he did not listen to the Generals or those who knew his plan would fail. Also, there are billions of American tax dollars unaccounted for in Iraq. Billions. That is not carrying out a war like he should do.
     
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    I'm glad you're letting your representatives know what you think. I do so regularly and on the immigration issue probably even more often than I should.

    There is not just one issue! Illegal immigration is an issue of it's own and it does not relate to global banks dividing up our nation. It's the result of people not speaking out strongly enough against the lax enforcement of law for several generations and of people believing nothing can be done about it as if the problem is unsolveable and therefore not worth their concern. It's about a new attitude of self-concern among the citizens, a false understanding of what constitutes compansion and understand, and our increased dependency upon government for our daily needs. It is the people themselves that are responsibile for what we have. Any day we could take to the streets and to halls of government to force a change in the direction but we lack the interest, wisdom, or will to do so. We're content to let a few loud mouths make the demands that are headed by those we elect to serve us.
     
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    When the elite write long policy papers on how to tear down the USA's sovereignty and replace it with a North American Union I tend to pay attention to that Dragoon, when, after reading these long policy papers I see their ideas being implemented step by step I tend to pay attention to that too. When they start openly bragging about their succes at getting one over on the American people well, reading the above I see how they've been able to pull it off.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo5CZvD3-QM
     
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    Well, you're allowed to think you have a choice by voting but the truth is anyone you vote for is going to be and is a representative not of the American people but of the corporate global elite. Don't you have a responsibility to Christ to seek out the truth and tell it like it is instead of hiding behind illusions in order to feel good about yourself and the way things are? I know the Bible tells of the coming one world government, but where does it say I have to go along with it to the detriment of my country and fellow man? What you are suggesting sounds alot like being submisive in the face of evil, I thought we as Christians were supposed to resist evil even if it's futile on our part.
     
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    Paranoia presents itself in different ways.

    Obsession is one of them.

    No subject can be discussed that Poncho doesn't attempt to turn to the "new world order".
     
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    Maybe I should stop reading all the global elite's policy papers and indulge myself in placing all the blame on democrats, liberals and pacifists like some others here, sure would make my work load alot smaller and easier. It would all be a self inflicted illusion but maybe I could agree more with those living in the "matrix" for a change. I could maybe even be...popular if I did! :laugh:

    Naw, I'm gonna keep telling it like it is. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Or, at least as you believe it to be. Not necessarily the same thing.:BangHead:
     
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    That's the only subject that matters today in politics. National sovereignty and freedom or the NWO and persecution/oppression. The EU is real, the NAU is real, the FTAA is real and the NWO is real.

     
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    To you. Not everyone shares your obsession.

    Although you, at least, do manage to converse on other topics without turning every thread toward it.
     
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    I remember the Clintonista's bemoaning the fact that Bill didn't have a nice war to "play" with. They truly wanted something Bill could sink his teeth into and gain the true recognition due him.
     
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    There are frauds, but you cannot declare "anyone".

    But it must be truth. You see how the piles of evidence has shown that alomost every resource, both democratic and republican, said that Saddam had WMDs. But you have the daily spin-miesters saying over and over that Bush lied. So real truth would be great but all the distortions muddy the waters.

    You should resist it within the limits of God's word. What makes me shake my head is when I hear talking heads say IF this or that would have been done then we wouldn't be in this mess (Iraq). That is just plain silly if you know the word of God. We are in Iraq because God led us there for His purposes. Nothing could have changed that in hindsight. God moves the hearts of men and uses one government against another. You can fight one world order and maybe even should within God's morals, however, when you see it slipping that way, each step is ordained by God because God says so. You should keep the Big Plan in focus and not get so angry over it. I don't like it either, but God said it would happen. Should I really get angry?

    I don't think we should complain about the one world order that we see coming through these small steps being carried out each year, but rather we should use the current events to warn the lost that God's plan is coming to a close, that God's Grace is about to end and God's wrath will take it's place, and everyone ought to really take a hard look at the cross.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    If the federal government had simply followed the U.S. constitution and the urgings of the Founding Fathers we would not be in Bush's Folly in Iraq.
     
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