How can Friday be the preparation day?

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  1. ituttut

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    God says 3 days and 3 nights, so man (Jew) decides to count half days. One is biblical and one is not. Why does man wish to believe man and not Jesus?

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    Galatians 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
     
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    What are you talking about?

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    I never could do those word problems in school, so I'm gonna have to pass.
     
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    People celebrate "Good Friday" as being the day Christ died & then they say He rose on Sunday, the "third" day...

    God said 3 days and 3 nights and I believe Him...which would NOT be Fri-Sun.
     
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    Ok. Now I think I understand. Although, I am a bit confused as to what the Jews have to do with this as they don't even believe in the ressurection, let alone care when it happened.

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    Preparation Day is the day before the Jewish Sabbath, the idea being that people ensure that they are home early on the Friday afternoon that they can begin preparing for Sabbath. The Seventh Day Adventist church are right into this idea, and if you telephone one of their churches on a Friday afternoon, it is unlikely your call will be answered as they have knocked off for Preparation.

    As far as the 3 Days goes, we had a pretty good thread on that here, I used to think wednesday, yet it would appear to me that it was Thursday. Bearing in mind that in that particular week there are two sabbaths, the Friday being a High Sabbath prior to a Jewish feast.
     
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    Maybe he's going by the Jewish calendar.

    Was it Nisan 14 or 15 when he was crucified? I forget.

    The evening of the day he was crucified was the beginning of Passover. everyone pull out their Jewish calendars.

    In any event, you are correct in that good Friday is not the day he was crucified.

    I would also be willing to bet that he wasn't born on December 25 either. :eek:
     
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    Ben, Thursday sounds like a good guess...that is, if we have to put a particular day of our week to the Jewish calendar.

    Of course, if it was Good Thursday, we would have to work Friday and there wouldn't be a 3 day weekend. Maybe that's why. ;)
     
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    A defense of the view that the crucifixion was on Friday:
     
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    These two Christian apologetics sites give more info on a Friday crucifixion.

    This one has a chart illustrating the 3 nights and days showing first a Friday crucifixion and then a chart for a possible Thursday crucifixion:
    http://www.carm.org/diff/Matt12_40.htm

    A view defending Friday with also a discussion of the time of crucifixion according the various accounts in the Gospels:
    http://www.letusreason.org/Doct10.htm
     
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    Yet consider that in the week prior to the crucifiction of Christ it is a feast week and resulingly has two Sabbaths, Noted in the Bible as a "High Sabbath" - Friday with Saturday as the usual Sabbath, making the Preparation Day Thursday.

    Yet interestingly if we use the formula prescribed in your articles, then the world could not have been created in Seven Days in the way that the Creation teaching church views it. (Just to note that I believe in Creation, not evolution [​IMG] )
     
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    Hi Granny. You are no mixed-up kid. Perhaps we can teach those "kiddies" to stand. Those baby shoes were made for walking.

    Don't know if you agree, but Wednesday was the only day possible.
     
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    Those that hold to the Friday theory

    I believe somewhere around 100 AD a Rabbi Azariah, a believer evidently of God but not of Jesus may be responsible for men to set a tradition. He says: "A day and a night make a whole day, and a portion of a whole day is reckoned as a whole day." Most all the denominations eat this up, or really don’t give a flip one way or the other. But God wants us to believe what He said. The” mother church” believes this and all those denominations that came out of her bring this sort of baggage with them.

    The good Rabbi puts mans spin on the 72 hours that it was necessary for Jesus to spend in the earth. He changes the way God counts time. He is saying that in Jesus’ day “three days and three nights” really didn’t mean a 72 confinement of Jesus Christ. Only a portion of the days was to be counted.

    Most Baptists, and few more perhaps, 60 or so years ago had no idea what the Catholics and others were talking about when they mentioned “Good Friday”. What a tag to put on the day of crucifixion – “Good Friday”.
     
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    Wednesday is the only possible day. Preparation day is Passover day. As you say a High Holy Sabbath always follows it – not the day of rest weekly Sabbath. Thursday will bring you to a Sunday/Monday arising.
     
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    Yes, scripture says Passover is always on the 14th of Nisan. Passover began at 6PM Wednesday our time, ending at 5:59:59 PM Wednesday our time.

    Agree again. December is just another day of Idol worship.
     
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    MARCHIA: The Christian church has traditionally looked upon Friday as the day on which Jesus died. Ituttut: Funny, but Paul who started the Christian church knew nothing about this Friday “tradition”. Easter was hatched in the minds of man. Not only did the Catholic church bring into their religion the pagans with their idol worship, but granted the pagans the exact days that they worshiped their gods. Everyday is Holy to the Christian, as the Spirit allows us to worship and thank Christ Jesus our Savior.

    MARCHIA: No strong reason has been advanced for abandoning this understanding. The most frequent objections to a Friday crucifixion arise from a misunderstanding that the "three days and three nights" found in Matthew 12:40 requires Jesus to have been in the tomb for three full, twenty-four-hour days. With this assumption, by counting backward from Sunday some settle upon Thursday or Wednesday as the day of crucifixion. ituttut: There is LIGHT, and there is DARK in a 24-hour period. That is equal to one (1) day.

    MARCHIA: Such a conclusion, however, contradicts the explicit statement of all four gospels that Jesus was crucified on the day called preparation (paraskeue) (Matthew 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14, 31, 42), a technical designation among the Jews for the day of the week that corresponds to our Friday. Such a contradictory situation vanishes when it is observed that "three days and three nights," rightly understood, can encompass anything from just over twenty-four hours to up to seventy-two hours. ituttut: Thr Day or Preparation is the Passover, and is always on Nisan 14.

    MARCHIA: Jesus compared himself to Jonah in predicting a stay of "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:40). In this statement he chose one of several possible ways to say the same thing. It was common practice among the Jews to refer to a fractional part of a day or a night as one day and one night (cf. Genesis 42:17-18; 1 Samuel 30:12-13; 1 Kings 20:29; 2 Chronicles 10:5, 12; Esther 4:16; 5:1). Hence "three days and three nights" does not necessitate three twenty-four-hour days between Christ's crucifixion and resurrection but was just another way of saying he was raised on "the third day" (Matthew 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; 27:64; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7, 21, 46; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4) or after "three days" (Matthew 26:61; 27:40, 63; Mark 8:31; 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; John 2:19-20). ituttut: God being a God of division divided the dark and the light. He liked that, so He hung the Moon and the Sun and called this 24 hour period a day. When He had finished what He set out to accomplish He said – it is very good. I don’t believe He changed His mind on this matter. Two plus two will always equal four, and a day and a night will always mean one full day when God speaks.

    MARCHIA: In light of the gospel accounts, then, it can be safely concluded that Jesus died at 3:00 p.m. on a Friday and was placed in the tomb later that same day (that is, before sundown). He remained there part of Friday (until sundown), all of the next day (from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday), and part of the third day (from sundown Saturday until early Sunday morning). The system of reckoning each day from sunset to sunset was followed by the Sadducees in Jerusalem. Another system of reckoning from sunrise to sunrise was also in vogue, but the sunset-to-sunset scheme was the more officially recognized of the two. [More] ituttut: Your scenario as presented won’t work, as God tells how He measures a one day. He keeps tabs beginning with evening and ending with day, Sunset to beginning of Sunset. Do we believe God, or man. We have to remember that God’s people the Jew made a covenant with God, which they couldn’t keep and became idol worshippers just as we that are heather. Why would we believe those that refused Messiah. We change to daylight time from standard time, and that is OK, as it suits us, but time as we know it has a beginning and an ending, and it will be on Gods time clock. ”And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.” Genesis 1:5

    Past my bedtime. More&gt;&gt;
     
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    Wednesday is the only possible day. Preparation day is Passover day. As you say a High Holy Sabbath always follows it – not the day of rest weekly Sabbath. Thursday will bring you to a Sunday/Monday arising. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Yet consider that the day for Sunday begin on the Saturday Night in our Calendar. The usual Jewish Sabbath is Friday Night to Saturday Sunset, the following day begins at sunset. Hence Wednesday night as we know it is in fact the begining of Thursday.
     
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    Who are those Idol worshippers ituttut?

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    Funny I thought that is what the ladies were coming to do that Sunday morning, Prepare the body.. .
     
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    (Continuing)
    Three arguments prove that Jesus died on a Friday.

    MARCHIA : A central theme of the New Testament is that Jesus rose on the third day. Jesus' own prediction that He would rise on the third day is noted eight times in the Gospels (Matt. 16:21; 17:23; 20:19; Mark 9:31; 10:34; Luke 9:22; 18:33; 24:7). Fearful of what this prediction might provoke, the authorities resolved to set a guard at His tomb until the third day (Matt. 27:64). That He in fact rose on the third day is asserted once in the Gospels (Luke 24:46), once in Acts (Acts 10:40), and once in the Epistles (1 Cor. 15:4).ituttut: I believe everyone agrees with this truth.

    The Jews used inclusive reckoning. When measuring the number of days until some event, they counted today as the first. For example, in fulfillment of the law mandating circumcision of a male child when he is eight days old (Genesis 17:12), the Jews have always performed the rite on the day one week after the day of birth. The day of birth is counted as the first day and the day of circumcision is counted as the eighth (Luke 1:59) (1). ituttut: Contrasting the flood and Jesus’ burial. If we look in Genesis 7:1 we find God sealed in those of the Ark (Joseph rolled the stone into place), and God started counting. This is not man counting. Joseph’s last act on Wednesday during the light, was rolling the stone into place, and He had to accomplish all by the stroke of 6PM as the next day evening will start (Thursday). This was necessary as no work could be performed on the Thursday High Sabbath. Our Savior Christ Jesus was placed into the tomb and sealed in as one day was closing and a new day was beginning. His arising was in the same manner, just as He promised. Old things are dead, and all things have become new – II Corinthians 5:16-17.
    1st day – Wed/Thursday closing 5:59:59PM
    2nd day – Thur/Friday closing 5:59:59PM
    3rd day – Fri/Saturday closing 5:59:59PM
    Three, two, one and then the explosion (earthquake) as Jesus Christ broke through the bars of the grave, death and hell. At 0 day – Sat/Sunday Christ arose at the end of the THIRD DAY, and the beginning of the FIRST DAY of the week. The Old Testament had ended and the New Testament began.


    Biblical references to the third day also assume inclusive reckoning. Since today was considered the first day, tomorrow was considered the second, and the day after tomorrow, the third. ituttut: Can’t disagree with that.

    10 And the Lord said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,
    11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the Lord will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

    Exodus 19:10-11

    And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. ituttut: I agree with the Bible, and it says the time started some time in the first day through the second and then God came down sometime on the third day. But this has nothing to do with the resurrection.

    Luke says clearly that the next day after Jesus' death and burial was a Sabbath; that is, a Saturday. It follows that Jesus died on a Friday. Luke's chronology for the period of the entombment is the most explicit. ituttut. But there are other Sabbath’s and one is a High Sabbath that follows the day after Passover, falling on the 15th day of Nisan, and no work shall be done on that day. Leviticus 23:7. We cannot just discard The Word. Remember the preparation day is Wednesday, and the High Sabbath is Thursday, and no servile work could be done. This carried a death sentence just as did the weekly Sabbath.

    53 And he [Joseph of Arimathaea] took it [Jesus' body] down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
    55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
    56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. ituttut: Verse 54 as presented by you tells the story. It was the preparation day and the High Sabbath drew on, or in other words it was dawning. Wednesday was closing and the new day Thursday (High Sabbath) was just beginning.

    1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. ituttut: Very early in the morning would be right after 6AM Thursday, about sunrise. This was 12 hours after the fact.

    Luke 23:53-24:1

    Some have argued that the Sabbath mentioned in this narrative (v. 54) is not Saturday, but the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was also a day of rest (Lev. 23:6-7). The following considerations furnish sufficient rebuttal: [MORE] ituttut: My above negates your further references.
     

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