How can One be Hyper Calvinist IF people perish w/o the Gospel?

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  1. JesusFan

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    IF the Bible, specifically the Gospel, is the power of God unto salavation...
    IF "faith comes by hearing, hearing of the Bible"

    HOW can a person biblically speaking consider themselves being a hyper Calvinist?
    if by that term, means God saves his own, no need to evangelise/have missions?
     
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  2. David Lamb

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    I have no idea how a person can think that way. I am not a hyper-calvinist, and to my knowledge, neither is anyone else on the BB.
     
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    Excellent question. I'll be interested in seeing answers by Calvinist. It seems to me they spend a lot of time quoting favorite passages of scripture and quoting Calvin and very little showing how their beliefs are demonstrated by Christ. Calvinist have really convinced me the last month or so that they are very wrong in their beliefs.
     
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    Specifics please. It's so easy to throw out bold assertions with no particulars in evidence.
     
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    I have no idea how a person can think that way. I am not a hyper-calvinist, and to my knowledge, neither is anyone else on the BB.

    Pinyo leans pretty heavily in that direction.
     
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    Why not just engage the question in the op?
     
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    ...as do others like Luke, Aaron, and a few others.
     
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    Sorry, Crabtownboy, but the thread (according to the OP) is about hypercalvinism, not Calvinism. Did you perhaps mean, "I'll be interested in seeing answers by hypercalvinists"?
     
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    I think anyone who bears the label of cal or hyper cal should be able to answer the op, no?
     
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    Sorry David, I guess I was not clear in my statement. I was responding to the OP and failed to use the word hyper. At the moment, though I am researching the question, I do not have a clear understanding of the difference between calvinism and hypercalvinism.

    Yes, I am also interested in seeing answers by both Calvinists and hypercalvinists.
     
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    Here's my understanding of the "hyper" part.

    It's when on takes calvinistic doctrines and over emphasizes them to the point of ignoring biblical truth. Examples included over emphasizing election to the point of disobeying the biblical command to share the gospel.
     
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    While I might label Luke and Aaron as being overly aggressive in their Calvinism they are not hyper. Both, as far as I know, do not ignore the clear teaching of the Word to witness to the lost.
     
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    They might be what I have heard termed "high" Calvinism.
     
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    Think that what divides these 2 groups is that while both believe Bible teaches Jesus died as Atonement for just the Elect of God, limited atonement, Cal teach that the Gospel still needs to be preached to all peoples, that is the method God has chosen to use "save" his elected ones, Hyper believe no need to preach Gospel to all peoples, no need to do missions/evagelize, just preach to the elect...

    So one sees need still to proclaim to all people, just the elect will respond, while otjer says God will save his own regardless....
     
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    I agree, Webdog, that hypercalvinists ought to be able to give an answer to the OP's questions:
    HOW can a person biblically speaking consider themselves being a hyper Calvinist if by that term, means God saves his own, no need to evangelise/have missions?
    But why should Calvinists, who don't believe that evangelism and missionary work are unnecessary, be in any better position than non-calvinists to answer a question about the reasoning of people who do think that evangelism and missionary work are unnecessary?
     
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    Thanks, CTB, understood. But is there anyone on the BB who believes hypercalvinistically that there is no need to evangelise?
     
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    I presume by 'perish' you mean 'to burn in hell for all eternity'. Do you believe these words of Christ?:

    my yoke is easy, and my burden is light Mt 11:30
     
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    That is but one aspect of hyper-calvinism. Another is making God the author of sin, which both have no problem admitting
     
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    ...because if you take calvinism to it's logical conclusion you arrive at hyper-calvinism.
     
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    Exactly. A few months back someone asked me what I thought a hyper-Calvinist is, and I answered a Calvinist who is consistent with his doctrine. I answered that a Calvinist is someone who is inconsistent with his own doctrine and embarrassed by it. They came after me like a swarm of bees, all claiming to be consistent, and yet all denying that the logical conclusion of Calvinism makes God the author of sin.

    But it is true, hyper- Calvinism is simply consistent Calvinism and was even called such in the past. Google "consistent Calvinism" without quotes and see for yourself.
     

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