How Do you Account for prehistoric Human Races IF NOT Theistic Evolutionist?

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  1. DaChaser1

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    I am NOT one, but how would we than explain races of man such as those espoused by evolutionists?

    or do we hold to JUST Homo Sapiens period for humanity?
     
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    Can you please explicate this post more. The question is so broadly painted (and yet ironically ambiguous) that I don't known specifically what pre-historic races you're talking about. Are speaking of homo erectus? homo habilis?
     
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    My friend. There is only one human race.

    I had a small debate with my wife who grew up a Muslim and is now a Christian. She is very zealous for the things of God being perfect and showing His infinite wisdom in everything, but when I told her if today's man saw Eve in the garden and judged her by their modern idea of beauty. They would run screaming for their lives. :laugh:

    She insists Eve looks like women depicted in the movies
     
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    I believe the term is, "specie adaptation/variation"

    Here you go my friend. I pray this helps you

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/arj/v3/n1/neanderthals
     
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    We may fail to realize the depths and degregation of the human species during the time leading up to the flood. The Bible portrays them as utterly contemptable sinners, and their bodies may have taken on that appearance from genetic incest, brutal lives, etc.

    Another issue is that we have unwittingly grasped onto and held as true the evolutionary tale, i.e., that we have somehow "evolved" and are now a higher order of creature than those who came before. I find just the opposite is true. We are now so messed up that most of us would not survive in the world of 500 years ago or without doctors, pills, glasses, braces, surgery, etc. We can't invent our way out of a problem with the economy, much less inventing commerce to begin with. :laugh:
     
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    Just was asking how would non evolutionist christians would account for those prehistoric races such as peking/java/Neanderthal/Cro magnon etc?

    Do we actually buy into those prehistoric races as being Human, or just primates, or else humans without braeth of God in them, no souls?
     
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    I believe the majority to be extinct primate species. Even Lucy was constructed out of random bones and the rest filled in with presupposition and imagination. There are also many humans in the world with different shape skulls, it doesn't prove evolution. Imagine if someone would have dug up the Elephant Man's bones with no knowledge of the condition that caused the deformity in the skull.
     
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    OK, here is an image from that link of neanderthal. Looking at this I do not even see how it's possible that this creature walked upright. The large barrel chest, short legs, arms hanging to its knees. This creature was built to walk on its knuckles. Sorry, but that looks like an extinct or early ape species, not anything remotely close to human.

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    Squidward, the skeleton of Grandpa Bigfoot?
     
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    This was a Homo Erectus skeleton and I agree with you.
     
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    So would agree with me that ONLY humans are what we know today, that any other so called human species were really some kind of now extinct primate Ape?
     
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    I was agreeing with Squidward that the homo erectus skeleton - particularly the rib-cage - looks more like an ape.

    But I suspect that there is neanderthal ancestry in some modern humans and most likely in people of European descent.
     
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    Refuting Evolution
    A handbook for students, parents, and teachers countering the latest arguments for evolution
    http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-index (Book can be read on line. Notice lesson #6 study guide.

    Answers in Genesis Main page: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/flood
    Evolution: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/evolution

    Institute for Creation Main page: http://www.icr.org/
    Life Sciences http://www.icr.org/life-science/

    Answers in Genesis - Apeman and Missing Links
    http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/apemen-missing-links

    Just a few of the references I used when my pastor challenged my viewpoint on evolution. It isn't easy to make a 180 degree turn after 50+ years of focus (school, History Channel, etc) on the validity of the theory of evolution vs Genesis, Chapter 1.
     
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    I agree with all that you listed, its just wondering IF there were ANY other actual human races apart from we humans in the past Were they alive with us, but were NOT actually humans as not livingsouls? Dod God have them running around,and God made a seperate creation of Adam?Eve as first real humans?

    or all they all primates in ancestors to great Apes of today?
     
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    I think Cro magnon is nothing more than the name given to our human species.

    There is no way we are even remotely close to other apes nor evolved. We cannot reproduce with apes. If we had evolved then natural selection would have still allowed us to. Natural selection in humans only occured with the difference in features in races, and guess what, we can reproduce with other races.

    I do believe that species can change in look and modify based on the species ability to adapt to its surroundings. If you take a mating pair of robins and put them in Vietnam, put another mating pair on Iceland, prevent them from migrating, in a couple thousand years you'll have different looking birds but basically the same bird that would still be able to breed if mixed.
     
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    I believe the answers are in the links I posted. These aren't a read one article and form an opinion. For example, there are, within these sites, explainations for the various fossils that have been found and are claimed to be linked to human development. These range from hoaxes to definitive DNA testing.
     
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    DNA has proved we all came from the same mother. Yet with each generation there are differences that is made to each individual's DNA. In each generation we see a different make up of the same DNA. We cannot call it evolution because it's still the same DNA. Just different things in the DNA is turn on or off to create minor differences in appearance and physical stance. It also makes us immune to certain diseases and also makes us more prone to have those same diseases.

    DNA has also proved we are not related to Animals because none of there DNA can be traced back to the same mother we all came from. This all by it's self disproves the theory of evolution. Not to mention animals do not have the same amount of chromosomes as humans. No scientist has ever been able to show a change in progress from animal to human though they have made up a supposed chart there is still a missing link

    We have science to thank for evolution.

    As a result of science they can't prove there theories so they have turned evolution into a religion, and have snubbed other scientist who do not accept evolution. Praise God not all of science is full of bull
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    I will come forth and say (as I have before on these boards) that I never took a biology course beyond a required high school sophomore class. But if with each generation there are differences to each individual's DNA, then each generation is more different from the first than the one before. Then you say "a different make up of the same DNA." How many possibilities does that make? And, of course, it says nothing about how DNA is not exactly the same in succeeding generations. It seems facing the reality that our DNA differs from previous generations is admitting evolution-- in some form, to some extent. If not, how is it explained that a very few individuals have an extra digit, for one example, or are missing something vital. [For myself, xrays show that I have 4 of something most people have only 2 of, which puts me in with about 3% of the human population.] But obviously, something causes these differences; and that being the case, it reasons that, while most unusual changes would be either trivial or detrimental, occasionally some changes could help the person get along in life. Understand that-- so far-- this topic has been limited to human beings in the world today. But I can't buy your argument that "traced back to the same mother we all came from" disproves evolution. Actually, claiming that, while also claiming succeeding differences in DNA, indicates the opposite.
     
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    I think you may be referring to natural selection which is something I believe in.

    One theory of giraffes are to believed to have had a much shorter neck thousands of years ago. If their migratory patterns after the flood had them slowly moving to regions where the trees they ate on had high branches, then it stands to reason that the longer neck giraffes could outcompete the shorter ones for food. The short neck giraffes could not get the proper diet and died off. This slow succession of longer necked giraffes having the ability to pass on its DNA since they could survive and mate.

    Another theory on giraffes having longer necks from original short necks comes from their fighting style of using their necks much like baseball bats when competing for mates. Usually the longer neck was able to get the hardest bashes in and win the right to mate and pass on its genes.

    Of course, these are just two theories. For all we know they could have always looked that way. Scientists have found fossils of giraffes that had short necks and were much more like a species of deer. Then again, these fossils could be nothing more than some other extinct species.

    Dogs are a perfect example of the ability to change the shape and size of any species you want. Humans created virtually every breed of dog to each owner's desire through a progression of breeding in certain traits through multiple generations.

    A german shepard and a tea cup poodle can successfully produce offspring proving that it's still the same species. A human, is a human, is a human. A human and a Chimp are two completely different species and no natural selection made it that way. Humans and chimps may have looked different 6,000 years ago than they do now, but a human was still the same species as now just like a chimp was a chimp 6,000 years ago and today.
     
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    You answered your own question. We as Chrisitians are to believe the bible account of creation. God created man on the 6th day. The religion of evolutionism teaches pre-historic men existed, why they simply reject God and biblical teaching.
    Man did not exist pre-Genesis account, for death came when sin entered the world through Adam. The flood was worldwide and as the shifting of the different shelves occured bodies of mankind were buried along with the animals. Some deep in the earths shelves and creating the fossil record.
     

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