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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by SaggyWoman, Dec 27, 2003.
What do you do to keep the sabbath holy?
Why would a Christian want to keep Saturday as a holy day?
Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy.
I do not know much as a new Christian. So, my question is real. Why do we celebrate church services on Sunday instead of Saturday if the true sabbath is Saturday? I looked up the word sabbath in my Google search engine, and one of the sights, sabbath.org states that Saturday is the sabbath God intended. I'm sure someone on this board can answer this qestion
Again, why would a Christian want to keep Saturday as a holy day? Saturday was a holy day to the Jews living under the Law in Israel.
The sabbath (Saturday) was for the Jews, under the Law, living in Israel. Today we celebrate the Resurrection of Christ on the first day of the week, Sunday.
what makes the Sabbath day holy/
God set it apart and sanctified as a sign to Israel. The Sabbath day has no significance to the NT church.
I agree that keeping the Sabbath is not for NT Christians today. However, many Christians don't see it this way. They will state that keeping the sabbath pre-dates the law and was implemented by God at creation and thus strive to keep it today (although they've changed the day to Sunday). Many reformed Christians hold this view - they call it Christian Sabbath.
I tend to agree that a 1 in 7 principle is God established at creation, prior to the fall and obviously prior to the Law. Six days is for work and one day for rest. I would argue we should follow that pattern. But that is different than keeping the fourth commandment or what most people refer to as the Christian Sabbath, IMO.
I am not a 7th day person by any means of the word, but I agree with the principle.
My brother in law tried to make issue of the 7th day sabbath as pre-law commands given--one of the ten, that even thouguh Jesus came, we still need to keep this command, since it is a command and isn't the Jewish law. (What ever that is. That in itself is beyond me.)
He said we should have services on the Sabbath. I asked him if that is how we made the Sabbath holy. It sure isn't for me, because I work my butt of at Church--though I worship. He said the attendance at church makes the Sabbath holy.
I thought--go figure that church attendacne makes us righteous. Especially on Sabbath. I told him churches have services on Sunday, Saturday, Friday and Wednesday.
I'm still confused. Why do we celebrate on Sunday instead of Saturday? Is Saturday the "day of rest" God intended? I'm not trying to be stupid..it's a gift
God gave all people the Sabbath in Genesis 2:3.
The modern church is a graft on to the Jewish root. Yet much Anti Semitism prevailed in the days of the early church and the Sabbath was changed to Sunday and made an official doctrine of the Catholic Church.
In Acts 13:42-44 we see the early church meeting and evangalising on the Jewish sabbath which is interesting because there is no scripture that states that Christ rose on the Sunday and resultingly the sabbath was changed to celebrate this fact.
In fact Jesus Himself saw the sabbath as continuing as He states in Mat 24:20 "Pray that your flight shall not be in winter or on the Sabbath day".
The first church to openly dare to oppose the Catholic church in this area was a small Baptist Church that later became the founding congregation of the Seventh Day Baptist Church. I think that you will find this link very interesting with its information on the Sabbath.
And what if all through these years we've all been worshipping on the wrong day?
Can anyone show through church history or from somewhere in the NT when the Early Church began worshipping on Sunday (besides the fact that Jesus was raised from the dead on the First Day of the week)? Is there anywhere Jesus Himself declared the Sabbath to no longer be the day of worship and changed it to Sunday?
What if when we get to heaven God says, the Sabbath is My Day, but that's the day you mowed the lawn, washed the car, cleaned the house, shopped til you dropped, ran your errands to and fro, and didn't worship Me?
We celebrate Sunday because of the Lord's resurrection. That is the tradition of the early church and we have continued it. We are not commanded to worship on Sunday.
Saturday is not the day of rest that God intended. He did not specify a day for anyone other than Israel. Since we are not Israel, Saturday is not specified. We should observe one day out of seven as a day of rest. It doesn't have to be a particular day.
Paul condemns those who try to force a particular day on other believers in Col 2 and Rom 14.
Sunday is the normally accepted tradition for the church and should be observed with your local body of which you are (or at least should be) a fully functioning member.
The sabbath commandment was the ceremonial sign of the Old Covenant. Amazing how even those who divide the law into its three artificial, manmade divisions, still cling to the ceremonial. So much for consistency.
Why would a Christian want to keep Saturday as a holy day?
Because it has always been (Isaiah 58:13-14)) and always will be (Isa. 66:23) the holy day of the LORD (Hebrews 4:9).
Because it identifies the God who sanctifies us: "...it is a sign between me and you...so you may know that I am the LORD that sanctifies you" (Exodus 31:13).
"Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ...to them that are sanctified by God the Father" (Jude 1).
"...but you are washed, you are sanctified...in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" (1Cor. 6:11).
As Paul says, We are sanctified in Christ Jesus (1Cor. 1:2), the LORD of the Sabbath.
The Sabbath is a sign or mark that tells us which God loves us enough to send His only Son to save our miserably hides.
The Sabbath obviously transcends Israel, as Our Lord Jesus said, "the Sabbath was made for mankind" and that HE is LORD of that very day (Mark 2:27-28 / Matt. 12:8).
The Sabbath was sanctified during creation week, long before Israel (Genesis 2:3). The Sabbath truly was made for mankind, from the begining, as Jesus pointed out.
Colossians 2:16 --
Paul is telling these Christians not to accept criticism for keeping the holydays, new moons and sabbath days for they are a shadow of things to come; but the reality of all this is Christ.
If the holydays of the Bible are done away with, so is eating and drinking, for they are listed there, too.
Where is the statement that says we shouldn't keep these days? Colossians 2:16 assumes they are keeping the holydays,etc., and says don't let anyone judge you for it. This is 'rock solid' proof that the mostly gentile Colossian church was keeping these days.
Here is my question? What is there about being 'a shadow' that means you don't do it? And if it is a shadow of things to come, then it hasn't been fulfilled yet --- and if it hasn't been fulfilled yet, why would anyone assume it's been done away with?
Hebrews chapter 3 makes is very clear that the OT sabbath was a type of our rest in Christ. Those who insist on keeping the sabbath are admitting they have not entered into their rest in Christ. When you have the real thing you no longer need the symbol.
And let's make it clear. NOBODY changed the sabbath day. It was, and still is, the seventh day, Saturday. But as those of us who are saved have entered their rest in Christ, we no longer slavishly keep the symbolic day, but rather rejoice daily in our rest in Him. We worship, as the bible commands, on the first day of the week, Sunday, in celebration of His resurrection, and our resurrection in Him unto a new life in Christ.
I feel sorry for those who deny the reality of Christ and cling stubbornly to a mere symbol.