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Featured How Does America’s Middle Class Rank Globally? #27

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Feb 17, 2014.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    Corporatist. See definitions of both in post 19.

    Notice the difference?
     
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    Believe it or not, I agree with Poncho. Corporations rule ... and with the Republican Supreme Court saying that corporations are individuals the floodgates were opened for them.
     
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    "Prove what you are saying is true then maybe I'll be better able to give you an answer."--Poncho
     
  4. poncho

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    I've posted several hundred threads that proves we live in a corporatist system. Just because you deny all the evidence I've presented doesn't mean that we do not live in a corporatist system. It only means that you can still deny the obvious.

    You said, "Does it seem plausible that a government that controls most aspects of their citizen's lives would allow the press to say or print whatever they liked?"

    You have yet to prove that the these socialist governments actually control most aspects of their citizen's lives. And even if they do which I do not doubt how does that differ from the system we live in which controls most aspects of our lives?

    Or don't you believe our government and the corporations that it depends on to sustain it controls most aspects of our lives?
     
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    Their critics use the same guidebook. This report is so transparently anti American and biased, it's completely laughable. Their reasons give it all away. :laugh:
     
  6. poncho

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    I think you confuse anti authoritarian government with anti American.
     
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    What I think you are doing is using a biased report written for progressive socialists and spinning it to fit your own agenda.
     
  8. poncho

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    Of course you do. You've been well trained. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Well, let's see. They say the reasons for this so called decline of middle class America are:

    1. We don't have real universal health care

    2. Weak labor laws undermine unions

    3. Our minimum wage is pathetic

    Sound familiar yet?

    4. Our tax structures favor the rich.

    Yet, 50% of American pay no income tax at all. :thumbs:

    5. Higher education puts our kids into debt.

    Free college for everyone. Ever heard that one before?

    6. It's hard to improve your station in life if you're in prison, often due to drug-related charges that don't even exist in other developed nations.

    So, Let's legalize marijuana. Whoever heard of such a thing? :smilewinkgrin: Truth is, a lot of those in jail for possession, distribution, or use of marijuana would be in jail for some other reason if it was legal. But it's a darling of the left, so let's do it. Potheads rejoice!:applause:

    7. The wealthy dominate politics.

    They always have.

    8. Big Money dominates the media.

    Always has, but you might change that to liberal money and the socialist agenda dominate the news.

    9. America encourages globalization of production so that workers here are in constant competition with the lower wage workers all over the world as well as with highly automated technologies.

    See #2


    10. Wall Street is out of control.

    Oh horrors! But then so is a big government that, under Obama, only enforces the laws it wants to.


    :wavey:There you have it.

    The progressive socialist agenda in a nutshell.
     
  10. poncho

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    Not yet but the way republicans are standing up to Obama we will have.

    Yes replacing them with temp services and pink slips is a much better way.

    Sure is because we shouldn't have one.

    Oh yes. I remember the republicans promising to fix all this.

    They do.

    50% of American are on welfare. And the republicans are about to increase that number by jumping onto the amnesty wagon

    Higher education is a scam. Employers would rather hire lower wage foriegners, thank the Bushies and Clintons for NAFTA, GATT, SPP and so on.

    Yep heard that college grads are stuck with loads of debt because all the good jobs are off shored or going to H1 b visa foreigners, again thank you Bushies and Clintons.

    Yeah but a huge prison population is good for the public private prison system, law enforcement, military contractors, DHS, DEA, Fusion Centers, prison guards and cheap prison labor. The future of American jobs! Who says the government isn't creating jobs? Right?

    Never! Why would you want to reduce the drug smugglers profit and power to regulate the market? That just doesn't make any sense at all. Taxes? Pfffft, we don't need tax money. Law abiding Americans are the ultimate cash cows, we can go on paying for a failed policy forever and it won't bother us any. Regulation? Are you kidding? Better to leave that up to the drug lords and smugglers.

    Conjecture.

    This is true.

    No reason to change then right?

    Yep.

    No I think I'll keep right on telling it the way it is. It's the globalist money and the globalist agenda that dominate the news and our education system and the republican establishment. Besides it's not all liberal media. You still got a multinational corporation like the Saudi (Faux) News Corp network to keep you informed about what the multinational corporate controlled liberal media is up to. Right?

    No that's just wrong. America doesn't encourage it at all. The global banks and multinational corporations do. The politicians just make sure they get their way.

    I did.

    No it's suppose to control both sides in congress and the guy in the White House. Corporatism. Not to be mistaken with capitalism. The national consensus says it's capitalism so that gives the lefties something to complain about and the righties something to complain about such as all the lefties that are complaining about it. Ah confusion and division is so wonderful. Reminds me of apple pie and baseball.

    Yes the the republicans are much better at enforcing the laws like anti trust laws and immigration laws.

    There we have it.

    Conservatives complain about it all the time yet keep electing republicans to office that do nothing to reverse it. You must not dislike it that much.

    There you have it. You really got nothing to complain about Carpro. Your side must like it that way or they'd do something to reverse it. They haven't, they don't, and they probably never will. Well, never say never right? If you keep holding republicans to the same standards of performance and accountability you have been maybe in another 60 or 80 years they will get around to it. It's possible right?

    And finally you forgot "making the world safe for democracy" aka Wilsonian progressivism. One the roots of neoconservatism and endless military adventurism. I totally understand why you forgot it though. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    But you're not in agreement with your source.

    They call it:

    What we have here is a piece that doesn't say a thing about the topic of corporatism. Instead , it touts the typical progressive socialist agenda. You've just chosen it to MAKE it bear your standard, but it doesn't do it well. Heck, it doesn't do it at all.

    So keep spinning. That's all you have. Or, better yet, you might try to find something that actually covers the topic that obsesses you so.
     
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    Do you agree with everything your sources write and say?

    Keep voting establishment. It's been working great so far!
     
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    :laugh:

    Weak, Poncho. Weak
     
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