How does one side have all the truth?

Where is your great contribution to this thread of whine?

 

You just read it.:thumbs:

 

What's yours?

 

There are others who can't seem to recognize that, although man if fundamentally corrupt and left to himself will tend towards sinfulness, there have been periods and places in history where society was established and maintained much more centered upon the Lord. They can not understand that, while man is evil by nature, there is still right and wrong in all things and neither can compromise with the other to preserve itself.

 

Mine was to illustrate his point that one said has all the truth, and the truth is that he was whining.

 

And there it is.

You pretended to start a discussion about "truthfulness on either side" but your true topic is "the Right in general".

Thank you for finally giving us that particular bit of truthfulness.

 

From my experience...

If you don't agree with the right, then they are likely to label you as a socialist or un-American. You're just not American enough. Or you don't really believe in the Constitution.

If you don't agree with the left, then they are likely to label you as narrow minded, ignorant, and bigoted. If you were just smart enough, then you would agree with them.

As brothers & sisters, if we have room to disagree on theological issues (within reason), then we certainly have room to disagree on political issues (within reason). Seems like there should a lot more talking than ranting, with Christians leading the way.

 

It's called the Hegelian Dialectic.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

So which side are you on?

 

LEFT VS. RIGHT: THE ILLUSION OF OPPOSITES

The illusion of opposites has been a dominant part of the world's political landscape for over a century and it has been the primary reason for the advance of collectivism during that time. In the epic struggles of World War II, millions of patriotic citizens within the combatant nations passionately supported their leaders, believing they were defending against an evil empire. Russians fought for Communism; Germans fought for Nazism; Italians fought for Fascism. Yet, these were merely variants of the underlying ideology, called collectivism, that was common to them all.

Americans, of course, were horrified by such political doctrines and fought, instead, for Democracy. They did not realize that, while that word filled their heads with visions of freedom and justice for all, their leaders had another definition as they quietly converted the United States into a collectivist regime incredibly similar to the ones against which they fought. The contest was never about ideology. It was always about who would be the victor and who would be the vanquished; who would emerge from the war with world power; who would control the natural resources; who would create the new boundaries; who would judge and who would hang.

SOURCE

Which side are you on after reading the article?

 

Let's just say I find myself in the extreme minority around here most days.

"Perhaps I am too quick to judge Lakoff as an illusionist, for that implies he is a willing agent of the enemies of freedom. It is entirely possible that he has not yet considered all the ramifications of this issue. It is possible that he has never heard individualism advocated and defended. Without that, he likely would consider it to be the creed of selfishness and ignorance. With that view, collectivism would be the only reasonable option, and he would have to choose between the Left and Right manifestations of it." LINK

Which side are you on now?

 

The fact that you don't see the blame game being used in both directions once again tells me you are a liberal. Blinded by your own ideology.

Liberals believe everything is relative, even the truth.

 

There is an absolute right and everything else is wrong. Our obligation is to align with the truth - God's truth - and stand firm to it. Liberalism encourages compromise and plays the "Devil's advocate" on all issues. There's a reason it carries that name!

 

Conservatives and liberals alike both think their brand of collectivism is the way to go.

So of course there are going to be heated arguments and name calling among the two collectivist camps. The plain truth is my very good friend Eric B that neither side sees or understands or even cares to understand the truth yet. Today it's all about gaining enough political power to force the other side into submission.

What is truth? Collectivism doesn't benefit mankind. Never has, never will. But it does benefit the power elite who are above government. It benefits them to keep us divided and arguing amongst ourselves. That's why there are so few good solutions today. Most are based on a false premise.

Individualism is what made this country great and collectivism is what's putting it in the trash heap. Yet both sides want to see their brand of collectivism win over the other's.

Once upon a time it was individualism that made this nation different from any other but now that we've adopted collectivism we're the same as the rest.

“Political tags -- such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth -- are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.” -- Robert A Heinlein


What are the elements of collectivism that are common to all of these seemingly opposite forces? Collectivists on the so-called Left and Right agree that:

1. Rights are derived from the state;
2. The group is more important than the individual;
3. Coercion is the preferred method to bring about reform;
4. Laws should be applied differently to different classes;
5. Providing benefits (redistributing wealth) is the proper role of government.

These are the core principles held by collectivists in their quest to remold mankind to their hearts desire. The main disagreement among them is over how those principles should be applied. They do not realize that it's not the application of those principles, but the principles themselves that cause injustice, scarcity, and freedom's demise. History has already shown this truth in the form of despotism under Nazism (the so-called Right) and Communism (the so-called Left). It is sad that intelligent people with knowledge of this history still cling to the myth that they are opposites when it is so clear they are merely different manifestations of the same ideology. source

 

I think it becomes more a matter of alignment. It seems to me that liberals more often align with things that are clearly against God's word. It reveals the foundation of their beliefs to be very weak and shows them to have a lack of wisdom in all things. But this is not a judgment of individuals - like you or me - who are all fallen and corrupt regardless whether we are liberal or conservative. It is, however, a judgment of ideology whereby liberalism is much farther misaligned with God's word than conservatism. In the present political arena I find few true conservatives but it is easy to spot die-hard liberals. If we argue that no one can make the judgment or the claim that their ideology is better than another then we concede that all are equally correct because, by this argument, no one has the truth. That is Satan's tactic for discrediting the truth. The first step is to make the lie equal to the truth. That is how he deceived Eve. Today's liberalism attempts the same tactic by first trying to make all things - ideologies, gods, religions, lifestyles, sexes, everything - equal and just as truthful as another. The measure of truth becomes man's thoughts - not God's thoughts. Politics and economics are not exempt for God's domain. He is sovereign over all things at all times. Therefore, there exists God's truth in these things just as it does in those perhaps a bit more clearly stated. Man will attempt to draw a line that divides the things of God from the things of man and hence comes the term "secular" whereby we find excuse to support the things of man rather than seeking to find God's truth in handling those things as well.