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How does one side have all the truth?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Eric B, Aug 4, 2010.

  1. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68 Active Member

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    Yeah, well I have several conclusions, brother:

    (1) You aren't a conservative,
    (2) you have great difficulty understanding what's been communicated to you, or
    (3) you do understand but just enjoying twisting it into some other meaning just to continue your argument,
    (4) you love to argue and you really want is to pick a good fight, and
    (5) you really don't have much of a stand on anything.
     
  2. jaigner

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    That doesn't make any sense. Most liberals love to be called liberal.

    And conservatism (politically speaking, especially) is often at odds with the teaching of Scripture. That's the nature of life.
     
  3. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    You have a liberal's typical disconnect with reality.:laugh:
     
  4. jaigner

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    Wow - is this the reincarnation of revmitchell?
     
  5. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Why?

    Has he died?
     
  6. jaigner

    jaigner Active Member

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    For the sake of the BB. He's banned.
     
  7. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    I hadn't noticed.

    Just for your information, it is highly unlikely I'll be banned for calling a liberal a liberal.:thumbs:
     
  8. jaigner

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    Sigh. OK.
     
  9. Eric B

    Eric B Active Member
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    More like Botwinick or Conservative Christian.
    (I don't even see what revmitchell said that was bad enough to warrant banning).
    OK, here is the crux of the issue:

    I start out asking a simple question about YOU (your side of the political divide; why you believe the way you do), but what I did not ask was what people thought of me. But that's all I have gotten from two of you. That's all you have communicated. What else is there to understand about that?
    And this is what you are offering again.
    Why?
    I ask why you think you're so truthful, not how you think I handle truth. Not how you think my posts read ("longwinded", etc). Not what political wing you think I belong to or what I'm taking a stand on or not.
    You all have had plenty of other discussions to spew that stuff out.

    So I ask you all about yourselves, or conservatives in general, and it keeps getting turned back to me or 'liberals' in general.
    The only things you say about yourselves are that you have the truth and it's basically self-evident.

    So I still ask where is all of this "truth" you are talking about? I just see a lot of deflection back to the other person. I see no verification of anyone's claim to truth. Not scripture; not even correct citing of what a person has said. That's why this topic is about.

    Your side seems to be always arguing and picking fights, especially when jumping in to tell the poster what you think of him. Yet that is another thing you can point out someone else as doing. This is what I am asking about. Why do you do this? If you don't want "bunny trails", then stick to the point; not your list of "conclusions" about me. It's not what I asked. It is in fact what keeps turning these discussions into fights!
     
  10. Eric B

    Eric B Active Member
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    The problem is that when we think of "liberal" in a Christian context, it usually connotates the moral issues as well as fiscal; where liberals take very non-biblical positions on things like abortion and gay rights.

    So the way the "liberal" tag is being tossed around here is like a whole broad brush stroke, and notice the language of "taking a stand". Some of us here disagree with the conservatives on fiscal issues (And a few others), or at least some of the rhetoric they spew about who's to blame for the problems.
    And I don't even see anyone here completely agreeing with the liberals on their policies (taxing, spending, etc). Most of us opposing the conservatives are middle ground, and it's the rhetoric we're opposing. But they can't have that. We must fit into a clear box on one side or the other so they can make their judgments.

    Their philosophy seems to be that if we're going to disagree with them on those matters, then we should own up to being "liberal" and 'take a stand' with them.
    But that would put us at odds on the moral issues as well, which is about the only areas the conservatives can biblically claim any "truth"; in addition to the far left ideologies such as socialism.

    In other words, we're 'siding' with these immoral non-Christian socialists, and since they're wrong on biblical issues, they're wrong on everything; and everything we say is automatically wrong. Hence, it always comes back to their opinion of us. That always becomes the whole point.
    It's basically a giant straw man.

    My point here was to question/challenge this tactic of theirs, especially when words like "truth" are tossed around.
     
  11. carpro

    carpro Well-Known Member
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    Not really. All you do is complain.

    You have offered no proof of anything. You're repeatedly mentioning "your side", but you never say what "side" you are on.

    Dragoon is right. You're not interested in debate , just argument.

    Until I see something out of you besides the same gobbledegook, I'm done with you. You're just not worth the effort. :thumbs:
     
  12. targus

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    So if you disagree with the liberals on moral issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)...

    And if you disagree with the liberals on fiscal issues ( tax and spend)...

    On what issues do you agree with them?
     
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    These folks are just spoon-fed by Hannity and Beck, who are complete clowns. The way in which they create controversy is unreal, as well as, I believe, sub-Christian.

    It's like they are on a witch hunt to put a spotlight on every dissenting political view, without even bothering to engage or interact with the ideas brought up with any real gracious and intelligent response.

    The real kicker is that they seem to draw lines in the sand and shut people like me out, as if I were some sort of cancer or contaminant in the Kingdom. And I'm not even a liberal. I generally come down somewhere to the right of middle. The only differences are that I refuse to let some pastor or some blowhards on the radio dictate my beliefs and that I do not believe political change will ever change people's hearts, which is reflected in my stance on some moral issues (homosexual unions, etc.).

    I just wish people could generally have a more gracious, lucid manner.
     
  14. targus

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    I don't know who you believe "these folks" to be.

    I personally have never listened to either Hannity or Beck.

    What issues - dissenting political views - are you speaking of here?
     
  15. Eric B

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    GOOD; :applause:because you've never done anything but spew ad-hominems; and about 100% of it, your own behavior! ("all you do is complain", etc) That's what's so infuriating.
    Again; nobody ever asked you what you thought of them, get that through your head; nobody ever asked you what you thought of them; so if that's all you can talk about, then good riddance! :wavey:Never wanted your comments anyway (though I gave you a chance here; silly me); there are plenty of other people here.

    Also, when I say "my side/your side"; I mean the side of these debates; not a named party, wing, or ideology which is what you keep demanding. So I don't have to be apart of any of those "sides"; I just disagree with you on something.
    But when all you can do is spit out ignorant ad-hominems, then I guess you can't understand something like "context".
     
  16. carpro

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    Exactly.

    And you won't say what your disagreement is or what you would agree on.

    Just follow other posters around and criticize. Troll.
     
  17. Eric B

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    Probably very little. It's only about two people here who have been trying to force me and others into this "liberal" box.

    The closest I come to agreeing with them, is when they make an observation on tings such as corporate greed, such as here: http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/ceo-worker-pay-inequality-index/19540733

    To many conservatives, just to nod an observation like this is to be a wholesale "socialist". (You should have seen the 60 pages of responses, which apparently were redencly deleted and the comment section rebooted).
    So I say that I do not believe in trying to "implement" any policy of trying to balance the divide (like through social programs, or taxing the rich), but then I'm accused of "not taking a stand" on anything.

    Truth is; there is no easy answer to that issue, but one definitely won't be found when they turn reality on it's ear and argue that the poor are the ones getting too much, or draining the economy. That's what I have been opposing.
     
  18. Eric B

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    (Give me a chance to answer the other person's post! Now, it's there. And there's more in the other thread; and all you said was "yeah right").

    And I thought you said you were done with me.

    More empty insults. All you can ever do. No one's following you; you're trolling me now.
     
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    Am. This isn't the real me.

    I'm using your tactics on you until you actually contribute something substantive.
     
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