How I have changed

Ed;

A man that advocates the death of 4,000 Americans daily is in no means the best that has sat, or ever will sit, in that office. I Personally feel that both Bush and Obama are "birds of the same feather" liberals. I had my doubts about Bush's Conservatism when he advocated a "Compassionate Conservatism." However Bush did halt government spending of many abortion procedures and he kept the nation safe for 7 years after 9/11.

Now to remain on subject, I have always been a registered Republican. I have voted in every election sense '74 and have voted Dem, Rep and Independent many times.

Mel

 

Just as people who call others "idiots" should be ashamed.

 

I understand one sense of what you are saying...but don't you think that God would rather have a fully committed believer in charge of our country than the alternative?

(however, I think you're saying that our electorate will no longer vote sufficiently to elect a principled Christian...I hope you're wrong, but it's not looking good...)

 

Really ? Did the mistreatment of Bush make you want to be a GOPer ? Or did the slander of Sarah Palin make you want to be a woman ?

:tonofbricks:

 

// You also might want to wait until the end of the 21st century before you automatically crown him as being the best this century. //

Tee Hee

If the Lord tarries, I'll be 157 years old in Sept 2100. I think I'll NOT wait. ;-) Obama is the best president of the USofA in the 21st Century (2001-2100)

SO FAR!

BTW, There are always more issues than one can keep up with. Right now I judge only one two:

1. Bad Bush - sold our birthright (honorable retirement for the ederly) for a mess of red beans (outsourced Medicare)

2. Bad Bush - let corruption go unchecked (torture of combatants, Blackwater)


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Short answer - YES.

 

I'm no GWB fan...but are we going to judge a presidency based on only two criteria?

That's not a very accurate way to look at history.

For instance...

"Bad Bush"--spent our $$ like crazy; however,
"Good Bush"--got Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court.

It's not as simple as you make it.

Furthermore...why the need to rank presidents of the 21st century? What good does that do? So what if there's only been two presidents this century? Does that make Obama a better prez, or Bush a worse one?

 

So...if Janet Reno had been mistreated...what would one want to be then?




(no, I don't know, either).

 

I am still what I call a traditional Republician ... and there are very few of us left.

I did not move politically, but the Republician Party moved and left me. I could no longer stomach supporting most Republicians when they became narrow, mean spirited, and espoused family values while they did not practice them themselves. Among the final blows was the big talk about controlling government spending, but from Reagan on all the Republicians have spent money in a way that would embarrass a drunken sailor.

I cannot support a party that:


1 Supports torture
2 Supports unjust wars
3 Support wild spending while mouthing limited spending
4 Giving tax relief to the rich while sticking it to the poor and middle class
5 Mouths family values but does not live them
6 Says they oppose abortion, but do nothing about it. I find this dishonest.7
8 Have become the party of "No"
9 Have become a cultural party at the expense of being a truely national party
10 Have become a religious party in a pluralistic society.


I guess that is enough for now. I still vote for the person and not the party. It is just that in the last number of years the Democrats have run better candidates and are, IMHO, not as forked tongued. I always take any campaign promise with several grains of salt.

 

You make good points on the hypocrisy of many republicans. I hate it, but you do. However...here's the other extremes, often embodied by Democrats:

1. Instead of supporting torture, they consider, vocalize, and enact policies that give aid and comfort to our enemies, and put our citizenry and soldiers at risk.
2. Instead of supporting unjust wars, we support a UN that undermines the sovreignty of nations, and selectively promotes morals (see "Angola on the UN Human Rights Commission").
3. Making no bones about supporting wild spending...willing to mortgage our future for handouts, bailouts, and bribes.
4. Punishing achievement...and taking from people that earn money, in order to give it to those who do not...goal: to buy their votes.
5. Willing to put pedophiles (B. Frank) and cold-blooded killers (T. Kennedy) in positions of leadership in the party and nation.
6. Willing to look the other way, or outright support, infanticide.
7. (you left this one blank )
8. Have become the party of "whatever you feel you should do." I'd rather be contrarian than devoid of convictions.
9. Have also become a cultural party--San Francisco, New York, and Chicago's culture. (at least certain parts of those cities)
10. Rather than maintain neutrality religiously, they support policies and laws that seek to eliminate all ideas of God from the public arena. (plenty of examples of this)

So...abandoning the Republicans who are hypocrites is quite understandable. Gravitating to some of the godless examples I listed above is not.

 

To paraphrase Lady Eagle:

ED you have been bewitched by the likes of JC!

 

You make the false assumption that I had all the time in the world to compose my answer and availability of all appropriate facts. Come on, those are two EXAMPLES. BTW, my examples are probably easier to prove than that 4,000 deaths were directly caused by Obama's actions on 01May09. Come on, it takes awhile to change the laws. And the new administration (with only some 35% support of Americans) has to fight the loyal opposition all the way (not to mention the right wing nuts :-(

 

Actually I would like to be Janet Reno. After 4-19 (1995), The Attorney General of the United States of America swore that she would assure that the evil person who blew up a USGovernment sponsored Day Care Center, killed 169 people (171 if the unborn are 'people') would be brought to justice which was TO DIE. Your basic homegrown, home trained, RIGHT WING, CHRISTIAN terrorist was slain for this deed in Downtown Oklahoma City. So I admire Janet Reno. (Sentence demeaning speculative sexual orientation self censored cause it is quite unprovable).

BTW, does anybody remember posts I made 6 years ago - I am right wing religious, right wing conservative (monetary policy) and left wing liberal social (personal freedom policy) -- we are also known as Libertarians. Oklahoma's ballot policies practically preclude anything but a two party system. Therefore I'm republican.

And I am not going to let immoderate people trying to pass as moderate demean my pro-life stand cause it does not Pony up to the Pope's standards. No Mam, I do not and will not.

 

AMEN and AMEN!

 

I am curious about these two things. First off, what do you mean the party of "no"? I have always thought them as the party of "yes". As in:

Yes, we will protect the 2nd Amendment & do nothing to hinder this freedom.
Yes, we will oppose abortion.
Yes, we will keep taxes low for everyone across the board.
Yes, we will keep a strong military.
Yes, we will keep illegals out of our nation.

Unfortunately, you are half right. The Republican Party has been shifting to the left more & more each election. However, supporting those that oppose your views won't fix the problem. What you need to do is single out a candidate who you support & vote for the person (not so much the party).

You were also mentioning about the Republican Party becoming a religious party. By that I assume you mean a pro-Christian party. At one time, I thought that was the case, but not anymore. While there are good people who care about conservative-Christian values, they have been silenced by their own party. I will say that I don't care about pluralisms. If people find Christianity too offensive, then too bad. Do you realize that others don't care about their actions being offensive these days too? If I went to Saudia Arabia & said that their Islamic faith was too offensive to me, they would take me out in public & behead me.

 

Could you possibly give some examples. obama is a baby killer and liar. Can any republican top that?

 

Great response rbell!