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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Salty, Oct 16, 2012.

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The President should be born again Christian and living a dedicated life

  1. Totally agree- will not vote for him if he is not

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  2. For the most part - I would have some reservations if he is not

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  3. It could be a deciding factor

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  4. As long as he has high moral standards

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  5. Religion has no part in my decision

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  6. Not sure

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  1. Salty

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    How important is it for a President to be a born-again Christian and living a full dedicated life for Christ
     
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    If there was a true believer running, I'd be thrilled!! If he was running, he'd definitely get my vote. But just saying "I'm a Christian" isn't enough for me.
     
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    Like Ann said, the claim is not enough. There have been plenty of men in office who have made the claim while leading the country in supporting many unglodly ideals from the murder of the unborn to theft.

    A believer with measurable fruit is preferred. However, that seems to be an impossible standard. I must consider the entire character of the man in question.

    Let's assume that Obama is a Muslim, just for the sake this question.
    Discernment then says they both worship false gods. Romney then gets my votes based solely on moral issues. I do think a person can be moral (relatively speaking) and not righteous.

    Now let's assume Obama claims to be a Christian and Romney is still a Mormon.
    Looking at the overall character of the men I would still vote Romney. This is because despite his claim, Obama does not bear any fruit that I can see.

    Further, just because a man is a Christian does not mean he is a good leader or qualified for the job in question. Carter claimed to be a Christian. I know he cares deeply for people and desires peace. These are good qualities in a man and indicate the presence of measurable fruit (IMO). However, he was ill-equipped to be president. I believe he has a good heart, but is very naive. The economic disaster at home and the Iranian crisis point to this.
     
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    Salty,
    This is a very good thread, and gets to the crux of the dilemma of this election. Mont brought up a very good point about being a Christian. Being a Christian does not require good leadership skills, and he had none. However, I do believe in my heart that Jimmy Carter is a Christian, and his life shows it. Reagan was a good leader. He also had a sense of morality, and stated he was a Christian. He was a Presbyterian. I also believe him to have been a Christian. Since Reagan left office, we have had a situation of no leadership, and very little evidence of Christianity. The Bushes did show some inclination of being Christian. However, the rest, had no leadership or spiritual qualities, ie Gore, Kerry, McCain, Obama or Romney. I do think if one is a Christian, and both candidates are equal excluding that, my vote would go to the Christian. That is something we certainly do not have to worry about this year. Salty brought up another good point. If Obama were a Christian, he would still not get my vote with his record.

    We are not sure Obama is a Muslim, to be fair, but we are sure Romney is not a Christian. This is the worst choice in American history. My vote is hanging on the trustworthiness of Romney declaring he is now pro life and anti gay rights. That is not much to hang your hat on. Maybe this would put it better into perspective. If John Kennedy was running against Romney this year, my vote would go for Kennedy. If Romney were running against Johnson, McGovern, Gore or Dukakis, I would vote for Romney.

    I wonder how many people voted against John Kennedy in 1960 because he was Catholic because his opponent Richard Nixon was a Protestant and so honest?
     
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    Thank you for the link. This is perhaps the most interesting election in our lifetime. It is fascinating to watch the NBC coverage of that night on Youtube.
     
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    Morality as is righteousness is measured against God. So many like to refer to Obama as a baby murderer because he is pro-abortion. Morally if he is responsible for murdering babies because he supports legislation, then Romney is likewise a murderer for the people the false teachings he advocates lead to hell.

    He changed his mind about same sex marriage. Romney and his descendants changed their mind about polygamy.

    Fruit is of the SPIRIT. And thus Romney, being not of the SPIRIT, cannot bear any EITHER.

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    True, but I'd trust God to fill in the gaps of a man seeking His face over a man seeking the face of a false god.
     
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    It must not be very important for most right-wingers given they're choosing the Trinity-denying Mormon Romney over the real Christian, Barack Obama.
     
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    I'm not getting into the same old fight with you. Take it up with someone else.
     
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    Warn someone before you say something like that. I almost laughed so hard I choked, then I realized you might be serious.
     
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    Sure isn't. Don't yoke yourself to an unbeliever like that. His foundation is a lie based in deception. The entire Mormon organization centers around secrecy and deception. So why Christians would place any degree of trust in a man who rejects Christ is baffling, to say the least.
     
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    Ain't no fight. Just more of the same hypocrisy being used by a lot of other Christians these days to justify supporting what they didn't support 6 months ago.
     
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    Paul amazingly a large chunk of them think they are doing God a favor with their sacrifice of supporting that which is against Him because his "morals" are closer to theirs than Obama's is.

    But the Bible says if you've broken one law, you've broken them all so that makes a false god worshiping Romney just as guilty of murder as folks say Obama is.
     
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    That's a hoot. If Barak Obama is a real Christian, I'm a dude.
     
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    And you evidence that Obama's a 'real Christian' is what, exactly?
     
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    In a nutshell, so to speak. (Sorry:smilewinkgrin:)
     
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    Frankly I don't know why his Christianity or not is even discussed as Christians have made it quite clear to the world that whether a candidate follows Christ or not just really ain't that big a deal to them.

    Winning has shown itself to be of much more importance.
     
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    His belief in the Most Blessed Trinity.
     
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    When has he claimed that? Is that your only measure of whether or not he is a Christian. What fruit does he bear that proves his claim of being a follower of Christ?

    I can claim to be a 300 lb football player. I can claim to be from Mars. I can claim to be a 1964 1/2 cherry red Mustang convertible. Making a claim does not make it true. In fact this is what the command about not taking the Lord's name in vain is all about. Vain means to no effect. Claiming to be a follower of Christ, like Obama has done, without actually being one (and his actions and words don't back up his claim) then he is in serious trouble.
     
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    OK - that was my hysterical laugh for the day. Thanks!!!
     

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