How In Are We Concerning The Ukraine ?

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Less committed than he is to a balanced budget, return of states' issues to the states themselves, a strong military and cutting entitlements.
     
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    So we create a lot more hate and distrust of Americans, in the Ukraine.

    Clinton was a buffoon, a college frat-boy class president. He still haunts us 20 years later.
     
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    He's not. He will let Germany or Britain lead and go begging to the United Nations.
     
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    The US does not need to be involved in this. There are countries much closer that can and should deal with this. We are broke and do not have the money right now anyway.
     
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    But are we obliged by treaty ? Faulty and short-sighted as it was ? What will be the ramifications of our inability to, once again, keep our word ?
     
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    The treaty in your link says only that the signatories would consult with each other and/or go to the UN Security Council if there were any violations. The UNSC has met and Obama had a long phone conversation with Putin today so it sounds like that's all we are committed to do by treaty.
     
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    So the Ukraine gave up it's nukes for the promise of a meeting. Doesn't make sense.
     
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    None of them are any more willing to deal with it than the Little Marxist Dictator is, though he is the only one actually encouraging Russia to reconstitute the Soviet empire.
     
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    Walking in the other man’s shoes

    The strategy of propaganda entails telling the lie, the whole lie, and nothing but the lie, and saying it often enough that people are gulled into submission. The propagandist doesn’t care if some people, such as the informed readers of Global Research, know that in strategic matters the mass media is scattering hefty doses of deceit. It is enough that most of the people are fooled most of the time. Those who have investigated the facts, and know the truth of any issue can simply be ignored, or branded as conspiracy theorists and ridiculed as tin-foil hatters. If push comes to shove they can even be disgraced, arrested and dealt with however the administration wants.

    One current lie is that Russia is back to her old tricks of expansionism. But the fact is that it is the United States that runs several hundred military bases around the world, and has a dozen airfields from which it launches predator drones for criminal summary execution of those it does not like…. including entire families, weddings, and funeral processions. It is the United States and NATO who are in perpetual war with one country after another, or even concurrently.

    As to this Ukraine crisis. When the Soviet Union was dissolved, there was a tacit agreement that NATO would not infringe close to the Russian border. But since then, over the past 25 years, not only has NATO (a.k.a, the United States) breached that understanding, it has invited the old Warsaw Pact countries to become members. It has even placed, or tries to place, missiles right up against Russia, pretending all the while that they are defences against Iran!

    Is it any wonder that the Russians realise that they’re treated as fools? That they see an encroaching tide of hegemony threatening to drown them, even to the extent that their 20 million who perished, did so in vain? That they will lose unhindered access to the open seas? That first strike missiles are being placed within a few hundred kilometres of Moscow and other major cities, so that the possibility of reprisal (MAD; Mutually Assured Destruction) is removed? Isn’t it curious that the western media does not mention anything about the close bonds between the peoples of that entire area, including Russia, Ukraine, and the Crimea?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-woeful-ignorance-or-wilful-malevolence/5371677

    “You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.” George W. Bush
     
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