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how KJBOism rips the Body

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Forever settled in heaven, Sep 29, 2003.

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  1. Forever settled in heaven

    Forever settled in heaven New Member

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    this historic church (Life Bible-Presbyterian, w. its Bible College, the "FEBC") in Singapore has been undergoing a terrible time since the visit of D.A. Waite abt 10 yrs ago. last month their founding pastor threw in his resignation, but things seemed patched up temporarily w a "Statement of Reconciliation." but it didn't last. today, due to the advent of KJBOism in its midst, it is "distressed, confused and divided."

    sad, the results of this [philosophy] called KJBOism.

    www.lifebpc.com/weekly/030928.htm

    b) The disregard of the Board of Elders’ Statement of Reconciliation (dated 1st January 2003) by certain FEBC lecturers. The Session has been informed by concerned Lifers who attended the FEBC night classes that they have been distressed that the peace promised by the reconciliation statement did not materialize, as the Perfect Bible issue continues to be expounded by FEBC lecturers in Life Church premises, maligning Life Church Session of leading the Church the way of Fuller Theological Seminary going down the slippery road of Neo-Evangelicalism and heresy. This was confusing to Church members who attended that class, and undermined the authority of the Board of Elders and the Session. The Statement of Reconciliation said that neither view is dogma, but personal conviction; we are to accommodate and love one another notwithstanding our differences. However, certain FEBC lecturers have disregarded the statement unanimously agreed by Rev Tow and the Board of Elders, and continued to preach their Perfect Bible view as dogma, even including it as part of a Systematic Theology Course. This course included an assigned essay, "Is the Preservation of Scripture a Doctrine Worth Dying For?" which is insensitive and inappropriate given the Reconciliation Statement and current fears of terrorism, which may implicate the Church. In addition they have labeled those who do not hold to their Perfect Bible view as Neo-Fundamentalists and preaching heresy. The Session appealed to Rev Tow to make good his repeated promises that he gave to the Session before the reconciliation statement was agreed and published, that he will restrain the FEBC lecturers from promoting their view as dogma. Lifers have been distressed, confused and divided by the conduct of these FEBC lecturers in contravention of the spirit of the reconciliation statement. However, Rev Tow refused to fulfill his promises. Then he said he will resign as Pastor, and instructed Rev Charles Seet to take charge of the weekly and the 10.30am service, while Rev Colin Wong will take charge of the 8.00am service.

    >> the leadership's mtg again on Oct 1, this Wed. we'll see where this goes ...

    [ September 29, 2003, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]
     
    #1 Forever settled in heaven, Sep 29, 2003
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Forever settled in heaven: "sad, the results of this [philosophy] called KJBOism"

    Oh my! You did tell it like it is, don't stop
    (a note: "Amen" means i agree, but it also implies
    the the subject upon which agreed is good. This
    state of affairs: spliting a church and
    destroying the witness of all Christians
    in the city/state of Singapore, is not good.
    So the two alternatives are "Amen" and "Oh my".
    "Oh my" means i agree but things are bad. This
    is bad stuff here)

    I even have a book: KEPT PURE IN ALL AGES
    (Far Eastern Bible College Press, 2001) that speaks
    the KJVO [philosophy].

    Lord i lift up the Life Bible-Presbyterian and
    the Far Eastern Bible College. They have been placed
    in a critical place, Singapore, to reach many with
    the gospel. Let them be freed from this KJVO heresy.
    Let them enjoy the wonderful translation in their
    native language: the New International Version (NIV)
    which in Your bounty and Your divine providence
    You have provided for this day and this hour.
    May you magnify the ministry of the Life Bible-Presbyterian and
    the Far Eastern Bible College as you have gloriously
    magnified the Holy Bible in many versions. Amen.

    [​IMG]

    [ September 29, 2003, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]
     
    #2 Ed Edwards, Sep 29, 2003
  3. Lacy Evans

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    The guidelines of this board tell us not to refer to KJVOers as "heretics". Bad form! If you want to play, follow the rules. [​IMG]

    While I hate that these divisions occur and echo brother Ed's prayer, I realize any issue can divide a church. I don't think a preference to a particular color of carpet is a heresy but it sure has split a many a church. If preferences can divide, how much more so convictions?

    I believe many KJVOers follow blindly without studying the issue. I know that many have no idea why they believe what they believe. And, unfortunately, many are VERY mean and self-righteous. But these facts have nothing to do with truth. There are idiots on both side of the fence.

    I NEVER defer to multiple-choice Greek or Hebrew dictionaries (except of where God providentially preserves the original word in the English text.) I never doubt the words on the page. If I don't get it, I study harder. If I still don't get it, I pray. If I still don't get it, I wait.

    I believe we should have a Biblical principle for everything. (interpretation-how does the Bible interpret itself, how did men in the Bible interpret scripture; preservation-how was the Word preserved in the Bible, how were other things preserved?; discernment- How did men determine the truth in the Bible? What biblical guidelines are given so we can know who is the true "prophet"?) These are my heartfelt convictions which, after years of (ongoing) testing, make me a KJVonliest. If that makes me a heretic, then so be it!

    Churches being dividing because people are insensitive jerks is sin. But when men have deep convictions, these will also divide.

    Lacy
     
    #3 Lacy Evans, Sep 29, 2003
  4. Forever settled in heaven

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    ok, no need to get bent outta shape. i was using the etymological mng of the term, esp. no. 5:

    1. act of taking, capture: e.g. storming a city
    2. choosing, choice
    3. that which is chosen
    4. a body of men following their own tenets (sect or party)
    of the Sadducees
    of the Pharisees
    of the Christians
    5. dissensions arising from diversity of opinions and aims [​IMG]
     
    #4 Forever settled in heaven, Sep 29, 2003
  5. Lacy Evans

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    Now see that's funny. There is hope for you guys after all.


    Lacy
     
    #5 Lacy Evans, Sep 29, 2003
  6. Taufgesinnter

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    I apologize. If I had read them,--I think I did--I had forgotten the rules. Somewhere on this board I have referred to KJVOs as heretics in the original biblical sense--as divisive. I formally apologize for violating that rule. It was not intentional.
     
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  7. Dr. Bob

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    I always refer to those divisive miscreants that plaque true Christianity as the KJVO "sect".

    This frees us from using "heretic" or "cult" on that group of believers and allows us to call OTHER brothers and sisters by those perjoratives.

    :eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

    (I am allowing this thread to stand since it was done in error and openly repented of. THAT is a good sign!)
     
    #7 Dr. Bob, Sep 29, 2003
  8. Lacy Evans

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    Thanks! I think.

    Lacy of the kinder gentler KJVO miscreant plague! ACHOO!
     
    #8 Lacy Evans, Sep 29, 2003
  9. Forever settled in heaven

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    i guess it's all right so long as it's been immunised against ;)

    here's the update on that Singapore church fr the KJBO founding pastor who turned KJBO after D.A. Waite's visit--fr www.lifebpc.com/weekly/031005.htm

    "2. At the August Session Meeting (20 August 2003), I was lambasted for one and a half hour by opposing elders and deacons mostly for not restraining Dr Jeffrey Khoo from publishing his new booklet KJV Q&A and not sticking to the terms of Reconciliation. As it is a universal law that there must be freedom of speech and freedom of religion, I have no right to bind him. Moreover, there were no such restrictive terms to silence anyone in the Statement of Reconciliation. In view of the fact that both sides have agreed that the KJV is the very Word of God and fully reliable, his plea that we have a 100% Preserved Word should be quite acceptable. I was taken to task on many other issues including my preaching that Eld. Han Soon Juan protested, "You people are putting Pastor on trial" and he walked out. It was so unbearable to me that I tendered my resignation, three times, not preplanned as declared by Rev Charles Seet. ...

    "Finally, following our Lord’s Example, Lk. 4:25-32 and Matt. 13:57, 58 we are worshipping at RELC 10.30 this morning. We say the sheep will come along, not forsaking them.

    "God be with you. Good-bye."

    this after more than 50 yrs of ministry ... one cld weep how the mighty r fallen--to nothing so much as the problem of Version-onlyism!

    this left the church leaders nothing more than to respond:

    "NOTE: The Session has noted Rev (Dr) Timothy Tow’s response. Out of respect for him and for the sake of peace, the Session has decided not to reply to it. Please pray for the leaders of the Church, and refrain from disseminating further unsolicited accounts and rumours."

    [​IMG] :(
     
    #9 Forever settled in heaven, Oct 5, 2003
  10. The Harvest

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    oh i see. it's ok for the nKJBOs to talk about the KJBOs as long as they use terminology that sounds educated and pious. well how about this one then...

    Dr Bob is a renegade who routinely engages in distortion of reality with his own surmisings of a language for which he does not have a complete comprehension.

    something tells me that what i said is going to get edited even though it says the same thing bob said about KJBOs. double standards seem to run rampant on this board.
     
    #10 The Harvest, Oct 6, 2003
  11. Scott J

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    I request that Harvest's comments not be edited... since they are categorically untrue.

    False statements tend to say alot more about the position/trustworthiness of the commenter than they do about the subject.
     
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  12. The Harvest

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    thank you and that's a good point. i think this false statement...
    shows a lot about Dr Bob.
     
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  13. Lacy Evans

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    oh i see. it's ok for the nKJBOs to talk about the KJBOs as long as they use terminology that sounds educated and pious. well how about this one then...

    Dr Bob is a renegade who routinely engages in distortion of reality with his own surmisings of a language for which he does not have a complete comprehension.

    something tells me that what i said is going to get edited even though it says the same thing bob said about KJBOs. double standards seem to run rampant on this board.     </font>[/QUOTE]I think Dr Bob was joking.

    Lacy
     
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  14. Anti-Alexandrian

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    And I always refer to those belligerent caitiffs of the GMO(God's message only)"faith" as the festering pustule on the skin of TRUE Bible(KJB) believing Christianity.

    This prevents us from using terms like "Alexandrian Cult" or "Bible correctors" on that group of believers and allows us to call OTHER brothers and sisters by those debasing terms .
     
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    I think far too much energy is wasted on the various translations. Read each one and learn. No doctrine is based on one proof text. If one has a working knowledge of Hebrew and Greek that will be one's final reference anyway.

    I love my King James Version, with all its wrinkles and blatant errors. I also love my autographed Phillips New Testament, and my NIV, but no version offers great sermon outlines as does the KJV. So, in that sense I am KJVO. When I read it publicly, I often transliterate the olde English and correct the blatant mistakes without ado.

    These might be interesting studies, but hardly worth getting all upset about. I am secure in my doctrines whatever version you quote.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  16. Scott J

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    Only if demonstrated false which would require a scriptural proof or an honest, logical proof from historical evidence.... a couple of things that have been requested over and over on this board but never given.
     
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    Now all you have to do is cite a single verse of scripture that supports your charge- otherwise, you are a false accuser.

    ... well honesty should prevent you from saying that but....
    You actually consider us brothers and sisters? Who woulda thunk it?
     
    #17 Scott J, Oct 6, 2003
  18. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Well do ya now? I find it impossible to believe that YOU can prove one error in the word of God.


    So you are now able to correct any mistakes in the Bible now? So when are YOU going to give US a perfect Bible then??
     
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    But I am not;I say,if being a King James Bible beleiver causes a "tear",let 'er RIP!!!
     
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  20. The Harvest

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    Well do ya now? I find it impossible to believe that YOU can prove one error in the word of God.


    So you are now able to correct any mistakes in the Bible now? So when are YOU going to give US a perfect Bible then??     </font>[/QUOTE]amen amen amen and aaaaaaamen!!!!!
     
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