I'm not ducking dodging or weaving buddro. You are. You know as well as everyone else here that I have named the "upper management" many many times. I understand why you don't want to admit that this country is run by an oligarchy, if you did your beliefs on many things would have to change and you'd have to face the responsibilty of defending your country instead your "party" and the oligarchy's puppets in it. Comparing one of their teams to the other wouldn't be so much fun if you had to admit both teams are owned and managed by the same people, would it? You can only avoid the reality of it all for so long friend.