How many KJVO's are left at the BB?

And that would be a bad thing here???

 

[NOTE: There was no editing performed on this post. The post reads as the author wrote it.

Not strictly true, Pastor_Bob. It appears that the two of us were in edit mode simultaneously. Unfortunately it appears that you were there a bit longer, and your non-edit has accidentally overwritten my edit. Meanwhile the edit window has lapsed and I am not able to restore my changes.

It happens. No harm, no foul.

I had expanded the last sentence of my first paragraph to read something to the effect of, "Truth claims are implicitly binding upon everybody, because nobody wants to be seen going against truth."

My point being, I have far more respect for someone who defends his truth claims as absolute truth, even if he is wrong, than I will for someone who backpedals into claiming his truth claims are preference claims when they are challenged.

 

Pastor_Bob
I'm agreeing fully with Ransom on this.

 

Originally posted by robycop3:
I've seen other boards set up to discuss translational issues only, with no versions debates allowed, and they became wastelands(no posts) within a month.


And that would be a bad thing here???

Yes...this board would soon empty and the debate would simply resume on another one. another bad thing could be that the places where the debate would resume might not be as well-moderated as this one is, and every wierdo in the woodwork would hop on...and soon, another board would bite the dust as the discussion becomes one big flaming contest. Here, the discussions are kept fairly civil.

Why do these versions discussions keep popping up? Because the KJVOs keep pushing a doctrine for which ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of its veracity exists. The topic is the WORD OF GOD, not some magazine article, and ANY doctrine or theory about it MUST BE SUPPORTED by it! For this very reason alone-LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT-the KJVO myth is incorrect.

Whether any of the diehard KJVOs will admit it or not, the ONLY valid reason they have for KJVO is PERSONAL PREFERENCE. This isn't a bad thing, but attacking the other person's choice, or other versions IS bad, especially given the lack of evidence that would sustain KJVO .

 

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I do not think that anyone would take an issue with this statement, "I believe it [KJV] to be the only valid and accurate Bible we have today (In English)."
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And I believe that those who do or would categorically REJECT IT, and also call it false teaching (falsely - no biblical support for your false claims) - do so because they do not like hearing the TRUTH to which exposes the compromise many seem to have regarding this issue to please men, rather than to please God.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

What you believe has no basis in truth. I reject your onlyism because it is not true. I reject your slander of God's Holy Word in several versions, because it is not true. I reject you calling your narrow view true when it is clearly false. I reject anyone calling the good that God as given us bad.

Bro Tony

 

Michelle is not KJV-only even though she believes the KJV is the only valid and accurate Bible we have today in English. Or something like that. I find her comments confusing, and God is not the author of confusion.

 

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What you believe has no basis in truth.
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I believe the scriptures, to which are the TRUTH.


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I reject your onlyism because it is not true.
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This is only your own opinion based upon a false label that men have attached to the TRUTH.


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I reject your slander of God's Holy Word in several versions, because it is not true.
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The only thing it seems to me, that many do not like, are the alterations of those modern versions that are exposed by the TRUTH, and then many attack not only the messengers of that TRUTH because they have helped to EXPOSE IT, but the TRUTH ITSELF.

Many then falsely call this slander against the word of God, when in reality and truth the TRUE SLANDER of God's word has been EXPOSED. It is what I call justification for COMPROMISE WITH ERROR.

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I reject you calling your narrow view true when it is clearly false. I reject anyone calling the good that God as given us bad.
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Let me remind you of something Jesus Christ our Lord said/says:

Matthew 7

13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27. And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28. And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29. For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle, you keep talking about error, but you've never posted any EVIDENCE for error except to say if it aint the same as the KJV has it, it's error...CIRCULAR REASONING.

Yet, when REAL error is shown, with PROOF of the error, such as "Easter" in Acts 4:12, you simply refuse to acknowledge it, responding with more error of your own.

You said you're not KJVO. Therefore, what other specific version(s) do you recommend?

 

Care to prove that the KJV is inerrant? I believe in other threads that there has been sufficient evidence to prove NO TRANSLATION is so.

AVL1984

 

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Michelle, you keep talking about error, but you've never posted any EVIDENCE for error except to say if it aint the same as the KJV has it, it's error...CIRCULAR REASONING.
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Many of you have been given much EVIDENCE of error, to which you all excuse and reason away. It is not I who is guilty of CIRCULAR REASONING, but many of you. Look in the mirror robycop.

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Yet, when REAL error is shown, with PROOF of the error, such as "Easter" in Acts 4:12, you simply refuse to acknowledge it, responding with more error of your own.
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And it has been shown to you that Easter is correct in the KJB. You refuse to acknowledge this truth, even when given abundant scriptural support for it. I can't help you here robycop. You are sadly trying to find errors in the true scriptures, in order to feel justified for TRUE AND OBVIOUS ERRORS in the mv's. It is called justification for compromise.

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You said you're not KJVO. Therefore, what other specific version(s) do you recommend?
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What many of you fail to understand, is that God's words of truth, the scriptures do not have a label on them. They are evident. It has been men to slap a label on them, to which today, and generations past, in our language is the KJB.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Please, pray tell then, why many here can take the verses you post and drivel out to us as "evidence" and show from the MV's that the MV's do indeed teach the same thing. YOU are the one who uses circular reasoning, not those who use the MV's. If you're going to try and defend a KJVO position, you need to either learn a better way of doing it and post some proof of your claims, or you need to repent of your lies and accusations against the brethren here.

AVL1984

 

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Care to prove that the KJV is inerrant? I believe in other threads that there has been sufficient evidence to prove NO TRANSLATION is so.
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This burden is upon you to prove it isn't. Good luck, because God's word of truth is inerrant. What you have claimed above is false, as God has promised to preserve his words for every generation Psalm 12, and that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God (Deut.8:3, Prov.14:15, Prov.30:5, Matt.4:4, Luke 4:4, 2 Cor.13:1).The scriptures are our final authority, and God has told us the churches are the ground and pillar of truth.


1 Timothy 3

15. But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Where is your scriptural support for your belief?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Actually, when I studied the issue for myself and left the KJVO movement, I displeased men. I became more like a Berean and checked the facts out for myself so I could see if what I was told was right. And IMHO, that pleases God.

 

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Please, pray tell then, why many here can take the verses you post and drivel out to us as "evidence" and show from the MV's that the MV's do indeed teach the same thing. YOU are the one who uses circular reasoning, not those who use the MV's. If you're going to try and defend a KJVO position, you need to either learn a better way of doing it and post some proof of your claims, or you need to repent of your lies and accusations against the brethren here.

AVL1984
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Really? So false doctrine and teaching can never come from additions to, or omittions from God's word of truth? I have shown otherwise on another thread. Truth has been taken away and watered down in the mv's. This has been shown and proven and many just excuse it away, even when God has said we shall not add to, nor take away from His words.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Your reasoning is circular and the scriptures don't support what you're spouting, unless of course you take them out of context as you do. So, please, again, I've asked for proof, yet you post none. Typical.

AVL1984

 

Michelle asked "Where is your scriptural support for your belief?"

Before answering, I would like to ask: what do you think our belief is in the first place?

 

The problem with your "add to" "take away" argument is that the KJV translators did the very same thing, yet you refuse to acknowledge that. How sad. How hypocritical.

AVL1984

 

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Actually, when I studied the issue for myself and left the KJVO movement, I displeased men. I became more like a Berean and checked the facts out for myself so I could see if what I was told was right. And IMHO, that pleases God.
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Where does God tell us we are to compromise with error? Does this please God? What does God tell us about error, and what we are to do?


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle