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How Many Modifications of KJV1611 to 1769

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Phillip, Nov 15, 2011.

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    The 1769 Oxford KJV still has these non-standard spellings that are not in many present KJV editions: "houshold" (Gen. 18:19), "falsly" (Gen. 21:23), "ews" (Gen. 31:38), "foles" (Gen. 32:15), "housholds" (Gen. 42:33), "yern" (Gen. 43:30), "fole" (Gen. 49:11), "waggon" (Num. 7:3), "grashoppers" (Num. 13:33), "milstone" (Deut. 24:6), "befal" (Deut. 31:17), "shamelesly" (2 Sam. 6:20), "falshood" (2 Sam. 18:13), "befel" (2 Sam. 19:7), "perversly" (2 Sam. 19:19), "vallies" (1 Kings 20:28), "loath" (Job 7:16), "falshood" (Ps. 144:8 ), "grashopper" (Ecc. 12:5), "wholsome" (Prov. 15:4), "milstones" (Isa. 47:2), "dunghils" (Lam. 4:5), "waggons" (Ezek. 23:24), "carelesly" (Ezek. 39:6), "ancles" (Ezek. 47:3), "housholder" (Matt. 13:27), "dunghil" (Luke 14:35), "ancle" (Acts 3:7), "foretel" (2 Cor. 13:2), "farewel" (2 Cor. 13:11), "injoin" (Philemon 1:8), "injoined" (Hebrews 9:20).

    The 1769 Oxford still has "travel" at Numbers 20:14 and Lamentations 3:5 instead of "travail."
     
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    1769 Oxford text online

    By the way, you can see part of a KJV edition printed at Oxford in 1769 at
    books.google.com/

    You may be able to print off some sample pages from that 1769 Oxford edition.

    At that web site, I searched for the following title and came across a 1769.

    "The Holy Bible containing the old and new testaments" Oxford

    I tried that same search again. According to the search results that I got, it was on the second page of the results, near the bottom.


    This edition is not a complete 1769, having just most of the Old Testament up to around Jeremiah.
     
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    Thank you Logos, I appreciate the information. I can add a lot of notes to my KJV translation notebook.
     
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    Ezra 1:2 [see Lev. 14:55]
    a house [1873, 2005 Cambridge] (1819, 1829, 1843, 1853, 1855, 1894, 1954, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1827 Smith) (1846 Portland) (1968 Royal) (1975 Open) (1984, 1991 AMB) (LASB) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)
    an house (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 2:2 [Mispar--1560 Geneva, 1602 Bishops]
    Mispar (1679, 1715, 1747, 1754, 1765, 1774, 1788, 1799, 1803, 1804 Oxford, Oxford Classic, SSB) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1683, 2005 Cambridge, CCR, CSTE, DKJB] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1617, 1634, 1660, 1672, 1705, 1711, 1767, 1772, 1879, 1976 London} (1638, 1722, 1764, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1820, 1858 Edinburgh) (1866 Glasgow) (1762 Dublin) (1782 Aitken) (1813 Carey) (1966 SC) (1968 Royal) (1975 Open) (1997 NPC) (RSB) (1990’s, 2010 LCBP) (1999 Collins) (DSB) (2006 PENG) (SFCB) (2011p HEND)
    Mizpar (1728, 1768, 1769 Oxford, SRB, NPB) [1743, 1747, 1760, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1795, 1800, 1817, 1822, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1865, 1869, 1872, 1873, 1887 Cambridge] {1747, 1750, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1817, 1824, 1825, 1838, 1877 London} (1793, 1810, 1842, 1851 Edinburgh) (1791 Collins) (1791 Thomas)

    Ezra 2:26 [see Neh. 7:30] [Gaba--1560 Geneva]
    Geba (1975, 1978 GIB) (1999 Collins) (2010 BEAMS)
    Gaba (1747, 1754, 1765, 1769 Oxford, SRB) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1743, 1747, 1760, 1762, 1765, 1767, 1769, 1778, 1790, 1795, 1800, 1817, 1822, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1842, 1844, 1865, 1869, 1872, 1873, 1887, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB]

    Ezra 2:59
    their fathers’ house [1873, 2005 Cambridge] (2000, 2002 ZOND) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB)
    their father’s house (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1743, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 2:65
    besides (1747, 1754, 1765, 1768, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1777, 1783, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1760, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 2005 Cambridge] {1634, 1660, 1711, 1750, 1760, 1764, 1767, 1772 London} (1722, 1764, 1769, 1787, 1791, 1793, 1810, 1820 Edinburgh) (1782 Aitken) (1791 Collins) (1802 Carey) (1853, 1854, 1855, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1826 Boston) (1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1846 Portland) (1854 Harding) (WMCRB) (1984 AMG) (2006 PENG) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)
    beside (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 2:69 [pieces--1560 Geneva; pound--1602 Bishops]
    five thousand pounds (1772 Oxford) (1791 Collins) (1810, 1826, 1828 Boston) (1818 Holbrook) (Clarke) (1819, 1829, 1843, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1868, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1846 Portland) (1854 Harding) (1911 TCE) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1968 Royal) (1975 Open) (1976 BH) (CSB) (RRB) (WMCRB) (LASB) (1833 WEB)
    five thousand pound (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 3:11 [sang--1560 Geneva, 1602 Bishops]
    sung (1715, 1728, 1747, 1754, 1758, 1765, 1768 Oxford) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1817, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1617, 1672, 1711, 1767 London} (1722, 1766, 1769 Edinburgh) (1762 Dublin) (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (1827 Smith) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (HPB) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB)
    sang (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1743, 1762, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB] {1660 London}

    Ezra 3:11 [toward--1560 Geneva]
    towards (1679, 1715, 1728, 1747, 1754, 1758, 1765, 1768, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1777, 1778, 1783 Oxford) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1760, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1614, 1617, 1634, 1660, 1672, 1705, 1747, 1750, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1772 London} (1638, 1722, 1756, 1764, 1766, 1769 Edinburgh) (1762 Dublin) (1782 Aitken) (1791 Collins) (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1854 Harding) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1842 Bernard)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB] {1613 London}

    Ezra 4:10 [Asnappar--1560 Geneva; Asnapper--1602 Bishops]
    Asnappar (1771, 1772, 1783, 1787, 1804 Oxford, Oxford Classic, SSB) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1683, 1743, 1747, 1760, 1765, 1778, 1800, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CCR, CSTE, DKJB] {1611, 1613, 1634, 1660, 1705, 1976 London} (1638, 1722, 1756, 1764, 1766, 1769 Edinburgh) (1782 Aitken) (1810 Boston) (1815 Walpole) (1966 SC) (1968 Royal) (1975 Open) (1990’s, 2010 LCBP) (1999 Collins) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (DSB) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB)
    Asnapar (1773, 1778 Oxford)
    Asnapper (1728, 1747, 1754, 1765, 1768, 1769 Oxford, SRB, NPB) [1762, 1763B, 1767, 1768, 1769, 1773, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1822, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1865, 1869, 1872, 1887 Cambridge] {1614, 1617, 1672, 1711, 1747, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1772, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1825, 1838, 1860, 1877, 1879 London} (1789, 1791, 1793, 1810, 1820, 1842, 1851, 1858 Edinburgh) (1866 Glasgow) (1762 Dublin)

    Ezra 4:11 [Thy servants the men--1560 Geneva]
    Thy servants [1629, 1637, 1817 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1617, 1634, 1672 London} (1816 Albany) (1818 Holbrook) (1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1854 Harding)
    Thy servants the men (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 4:13 [be buylt--1560 Geneva]
    be built [2005 Cambridge] {1660 London} (EB) (E-R) (2006 PENG) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)
    be builded (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 6:4 [expences--1560 Geneva; expenses--1602 Bishops]
    expences (1679, 1768, 1769, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1777, 1778, 1783, 1784, 1787, 1795, 1803, 1804, 1810, 1812, 1819, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1853, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford, NPB) [1683, 1743, 1747, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1778, 1790, 1795, 1800, 1817, 1822, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1865, 1869, 1872, 1873, 1877 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1617, 1634, 1660, 1705, 1747, 1750, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1824, 1825, 1838, 1860, 1879 London} (1722, 1756, 1764, 1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1810, 1820, 1851, 1858 Edinburgh) (1866 Glasgow) (1762 Dublin) (1782 Aitken) (1791 Collins) (1810 Boston) (1813 Carey) (1816 Albany) (1895 NPC) (1897 ABU) (1975, 1978 GID) (TCRB) (Nave’s) (Dake’s) (RRB) (1985 Open) (1987 Dugan) (1989, 1991, 2003 TN) (1999 Collins) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (DSB) (HPB) (KJVCB) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (2010 LCBP) (2010 BEAMS)
    expenses (1728, 1747, 1754, 1765, 1928, 1977 Oxford, 1952 PE, SRB, SSB, Oxford Classic) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1760, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 2005 Cambridge, CCR, CSTE, DKJB] {1672, 1711, 1767, 1795, 1877, 1976 London} (1638 Edinburgh) (1791 Thomas) (1815 Walpole) (1818 Holbrook) (Clarke) (1819, 1829, 1843, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1868, 1894, 1902, 1954, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1826, 1828 Boston) (1827 Smith) (1832 PSE) (1854 Harding) (1911 TCE) (1924, 1958 Hertel) (1966 SC) (1973 REG) (GPB) (1975 Open) (1972, 1976, 1987 TN) (1976 BH) (1940, 1979, 1996 Holman) (WMCRB) (1984, 1991, 2008 AMG) (1987, 1988 IBS) (LASB) (FWP) (CHSB) (1984, 1994 ZOND) (1997 NPC) (LPB) (VB) (EB) (RSB) (LCBP) (MSB) (Life) (ROASB) (SFCB) (2008 Pilot) (2010 BRO) (ASB) (2011 Barbour) (2011p HEND) (1833 WEB) (1842 Bernard)

    Ezra 7:14
    counsellers (1715, 1728, 1769, 1787, 1791, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1803, 1804 Oxford) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1743, 1747, 1760, 1765, 1768, 1769, 1773, 1778, 1790, 1795, 1800, 1822, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1865, 1869, 1872, 1873, 1887 Cambridge] {1611, 1614, 1617, 1672, 1705, 1711, 1817, 1824, 1825 London} (1638, 1722, 1756, 1764 Edinburgh) (1999 Collins) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (MSB) (DSB) (HPB) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (2010 LCBP)
    counsellours (1679 Oxford) [1683 Cambridge] {1613, 1634 London}
    counselors (1954, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1975 Open) (CSB) (RRB) (WMCRB) (1991 AMG) (KJRLB) (E-R) (1833 WEB)
    counsellors (1747, 1754, 1762, 1765, 1768, 1771, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1778, 1783, 1784, 1788, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828 Oxford, SRB, SSB, Oxford Classic, NPB) [1762, 1763B, 1767, 2005 Cambridge, CCR, CSTE, DKJB] {1660, 1747, 1750, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1795, 1838, 1860, 1877, 1879, 1976 London} (1769, 1787, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1810, 1820, 1842, 1851, 1858 Edinburgh) (1866 Glasgow) (1762 Dublin) (1782 Aitken) (1791 Collins) (1791 Thomas) (1802 Carey) (1810 Boston)

    Ezra 7:18 [and gold--1560 Geneva, 1568 & 1602 Bishops]
    and gold (1679, 1728, 1747, 1754, 1765, 1768, 1772 Oxford) [1629, 1637, 1638, 1683, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1613, 1614, 1617, 1634, 1660, 1672, 1705, 1747, 1750, 1760, 1764, 1767, 1772 London} (1638, 1722, 1756, 1764, 1766, 1769 Edinburgh) (1762 Dublin) (1782 Aitken) (1791 Collins) (1810 Boston) (1813 Carey) (1829 ABS) (2000, 2002 ZOND) (HPB) (2006 PENG) (2008, 2010, 2011 HEND) (NHPB) (1833 WEB)
    and the gold (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1743, 1760, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Ezra 9:3
    astonished (1754, 1758, 1765, 1768, 1771, 1778 Oxford) [1743, 1747, 1760, 1762, 1763B, 1765, 1767, 1768, 2005 Cambridge] {1747, 1750, 1760, 1763, 1764, 1767, 1772 London} (1782 Aitken) (1819, 1829, 1843, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1954, 1957, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1988, 2008 ABS) (1826 Boston) (1832 PSE) (1846 Portland) (1854 Harding) (1911 TCE) (1968 Royal) (1975 Open) (CSB) (RRB) (WMCRB) (LASB) (1984, 1991 AMG) (KJRLB) (DSB) (E-R) (2006 PENG) (1842 Bernard)
    astonied (1769 Oxford, SRB) [1637, 1638, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]
     
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    In her 2010 book, Gail Riplinger wrote: "The total misprints of both of the two 1611 printings combined exhibit well over 200 misprints from the intended text of the KJB translators. When matched against a current KJB, one might wrongly conclude that 'the' 1611 KJB was different in 136 places from today's KJB, not realizing that the differences were typographical errors brought about during the typesetting of the two 1611 editions" (Hidden History of the English Scriptures, p. 49). Riplinger had made the same statements in her 2003 book In Awe of Thy Word (p. 600).

    What is the likely source of this claimed number [136] of printing errors?

    In my opinion, the likely source is from statements by D. A. Waite before Waite and Riplinger parted and started opposing each other. Thus, Riplinger's claim may actually be dependent on Waite's research concerning KJV editions.

    D. A. Waite asserted that there are "136 substantial changes" between the 1611 KJV and current KJV plus "285 minor changes of form" (Defending the KJB, p. 244, see also pp. 3-4). In another book, Waite observed that in “changes of words as to their sound from the King James Bible of 1611 to the present King James Bible there are only 136 differences” (Central Seminary Refuted on Bible Versions, p. 24). He then indicated that if such small things as a change from “towards” to “toward” are included “you get 413 words in all” (p. 25). Later in this same book, he gives his “only 421 translational changes” count (p. 76), but he also gives a count of “only 435 changes” (p. 116).

    Evidently, Gail Riplinger is somewhat uninformed or misinformed concerning KJV editions and is dependent on inaccurate, outdated research. D. A. Waite missed or overlooked many of the actual 2,000+ differences between the 1611 edition and one of the varying present-day KJV editions [besides a 1611 reprint]. Waite later admitted that his earlier count was incorrect, but Riplinger seems to be unaware of that. ​
     
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