How Much of the Modern 'Signs and Wonders" Do You See as legit, From/Of God ?

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  1. JesusFan

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    Do you see biblical evidence that some/none/all of it for today?

    How do you see charasmatic gifts and theology as being presented by its teachers today?

    Do you differiate between those like WoF, health and waelth from more classical views like by AoG, or all of it non biblical?

    What would be a 'valid" Charasmatic Theology?
     
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    The only "signs and wonders" I see as coming from God in this era (and I am no cessationist) are the ones that God does unilaterally not under the "command" of any human being.

    We might pray and ask God for some gift or miracle, and He will or will not according to His will, but we cannot demand or call into being some gift of God based on our efforts or our will.

    The pentecostal, WoF movement, charismatic, etc., are all in the camp of those manipulating or demanding God's actions instead of praying in faith then waiting to see if God works as He wills. In other words, the Church at Corinth in a modern era...
     
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    Some

    There are such a wide range of teachers that it depends on the teacher.

    It is impossible to be air, if one does not, so yes!

    Anything that fits within the overall comtext of the Scriptures.
     
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    Would you see them as being even able to form/articulate a modern day "charasmatic theology" and be true to the scriptures?

    Could it be that they have vested entirely different meanings into same terms others use, so that we would need to actually define spiritual gifts, holy spirit baptism etc before being to proceed with inetraction between them and us?
     
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    No, to would I see them as being able to form a modern day charismatic theology (at least not one that is coherent to Scripture).

    Yes, to have they vested entirely different meanings to the same terms, but with one caveat. They have not necessarily created a completely new set of meanings, but rather, they have expanded some terms to suit their worldview.
     
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    it appears that for them to be able to develop a systematic theology, would have to have extra biblical source of authority to rest it partially upon, ala the RCC as with tradition equal to the scriptures?
    their case modern day revelation still ongoing from God?
     
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    Perhaps sometimes... More often, it has been my observation that they base their interpretations from experiences. They have a considerable existential point of view, and experience is key.

    I'm not sure that there is any such thing as a charismatic systematic or biblical theology. I've not seen one.
     
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    JesusFan;
    How Much of the Modern 'Signs and Wonders" Do You See as legit, From/Of God ?

    What signs and wonders are you refering to?

    Do you see biblical evidence that some/none/all of it for today?

    I have not seen any to comapare to the bible.

    How do you see charasmatic gifts and theology as being presented by its teachers today?

    If they agree with the bible I see it is of God. If not then it is of the devil.

    Do you differiate between those like WoF, health and waelth from more classical views like by AoG, or all of it non biblical?

    All you asked about have different teachings and some of what they all teach is wrong just like some of what Baptists teach is wrong.

    What would be a 'valid" Charasmatic Theology?

    Teaching what ever the bible teaches..
     
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    Renewal Theology: Systematic Theology from a Charismatic Perspective
    by J.Rodman Williams

    same size as the texts by both Grudem and Erickson, but not nearly as much meat, more like taking proof texting the Bible to show why pentacostalists have it right regarding the Holy Spirit !
     

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